Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 06, 2018, 07:28:09 AM

There are many ways to hide your seeds apart from putting them in a vault. Actually, I think a vault is the worst place.

A thieve wouldn't know I have bitcoin and wouldn't find my seeds because they are hidden among so many papers that even if he was trying on purpose it would take him a long time.

A thieve breaking into my house looks for money and metals and he is not going to be looking through thousands of papers, unfolding them, to try to find money or gold there.

I infer that you compare a cheap safe sold for home/consumer use. Thats not a vault; I believe the correct word is junk, or perhaps trash.

cellard laughed at the concept of placing a valuable thing in a vault, and asked, How does that protect you against real life thieves? Umwhat is the purpose of vaults? Why were they invented?

As for concealment:

Quote from: nullius on March 06, 2018, 01:30:08 AM

For much different use cases, a backup of pseudorandom words can be much easier to reliably conceal than any electronic backup. I dont want to go into details. Suffice it must to say, spies [...]

Quote from: DannyHamilton on March 06, 2018, 07:48:50 AM

Quote from: Blue Tyrant on March 06, 2018, 04:43:33 AM

Quote from: nullius on March 06, 2018, 01:30:08 AM

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/password_strength.png) (FORUM: disabled on this page for security.)

As always there's a relevant XKCD sighs

Unfortunately, far too many people take advice like that LITERALLY.

The bitcoin address that you get if you use "correct horse battery staple" as a "brainwallet" (calculate the SHA256 hash of the phrase and use the result as a Bitcoin Private key) is 1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T and there have been more than 15.9 BTC sent to that address in the past 6 years. Some of those were small value at the time and probably sent as a joke. Some were larger value and almost certainly were sent by a fool and quickly taken by someone else.

How does it go? (Words here set in bold) and his money...

15.9 BTC!? I think thats an evidentiary testament to the general intelligence level of brainwallet users, period. Or, per my aphorism: So-called brainwallets are wallets for the brainless. I propose renaming to brainlesswallets.