Quote from: 4v4l0n42 on July 04, 2011, 08:30:45 AM

Quote from: Rassah on July 04, 2011, 06:01:22 AM

I think as long as you guys don't realize that seeking profit IS attempting to maximize the well being on oneself and one's stakeholders, you'll just keep wishing for a utopia based on essentially communist ideas, not even understanding what it is you are attacking, or the pitfalls of what you are proposing. After all, corporate profit means that many people/customers who needed things (food, medicine, technology) had their needs fulfilled, that lenders, employees, and all taxes that support the government and social programs are paid, and that there is still enough left (the profit part) to make sure that many people who invested in the company are better off and are able to pay for their needs too.

It's not about what i think, it's about what is it, and what can be showed.

I showed how the profit motive creates wars, unnecessary suffering, differential advantage, inefficiencies, pollution, inequality.

Do you have any proof to support your claim, beside philosophically wishes?

Do you use Google search, maps, or Gmail? They exist because Google wanted a profit. Huge recession almost as bad as the Great Depression, yet no people starving on the street or waiting in soup lines because you can buy mass-produced food cheaper? Thanks to profit. Posting things on the internet and being able to spread ideas ad videos about TZM? Thanks to internet companies seeking profit. Totalitarian regimes falling around Africa and Middle East due to organized mass protests? Thanks to Twitter and Facebook wanting a profit. Things like gay marriage, women's rights, and minority group's rights being legalized despite the general population being against it? Thanks to companies not wanting to be forced to discriminate, accept money from everyone, and seeking profit. Also thanks to organizations fighting this injustice seeking personal profit.
Plenty of examples. Ones you are using to post about all this are blatantly obvious ones.