Quote from: bigbeninlondon on September 25, 2013, 10:19:50 AM

Quote from: wrenchmonkey on September 25, 2013, 03:27:01 AM

I would be among the 'ayes' if a vote were cast as to whether John's fees should come out of Ragin's refund, but that's probably a logistical nightmare for Johnk.

As far as calculations go, this would be simple. We'd just subtract the entire 11 some odd btc from Raging's spreadsheet line and re-calculate everyone's refund without the % from John K.

I personally think this is wrong; I don't think it's up to us to "punish". As far as the sample chips, I remember voicing my concern about Raging deciding what to do with chips that statistically didn't belong to him, but no one except me raised any objections. I think Raging sent 8 to BKKCoins (or posted that he did), but Raging was indeed open about how he was trying to get an assembly line up and running, and was going to take 22 chips for himself, and everyone seemed cool with it at the time.

I'm not saying Raging was innocent in all this, but the sample chips were handled openly, and everyone was given an opportunity to speak up if they thought it was unfair. Here's the conversation:

Quote from: ragingazn628 on June 13, 2013, 03:56:08 PM

Quote from: bigbeninlondon on June 13, 2013, 03:43:19 PM

Quote from: ragingazn628 on June 13, 2013, 03:30:03 PM

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Quote from: ragingazn628 on June 13, 2013, 02:52:21 PM

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I will send pledged chips to BKK but I will need the rest for my development over here as well.
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Ahh! Giant Pics! Tiny screen!

Seriously though; all sample chips should be allocated based on percentage of the buy holding, right? What about these other 22 chips? No one weigh in? To me it seems from the spreadsheet that you personally are entitled to .686 or so chips.

Just want to make sure everything is on the up and up.

Yes but you forget I have my own project and it is a lot of work doing this group buy as well. 8 so far and I will keep the rest for development. I am only getting 1% (7.8BTC) for doing this group buy. If you guys don't think this is fair then please let me know.

ALSO!

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The fee was pre-agreed upon, but I don't think any sample chips were allocated to you in the original thread. With my small stake it's of little consequence to me, but I feel that that is indeed not what was bargained for. If no one else cares, it's cool with me, but I think that should definitely be a community consensus, and not an assumption.

Yeah no one mentioned sample chips until recently, I'm with you on that, community consensus

if I'm happy then everyone is happy.

Me happy = much faster shipping Cheesy

I was the only one who said ANYTHING about it except Bicknellski, who voted 8 chips go to BKKCoins (which is mentioned in the above quote).

I hate how Raging handled this, but as far as I'm concerned he told us he wanted all 22 dev chips to start his assembly biz and no one objected, so everything was public and we all knew what he was planning to do with them.

I recall asking for my chip in a pm. When you get to the point where the chips are shipped, a lot of people wanted them to go certain places. I'll try to find it.

edit: I found your post. It looks to me a lot of people (including myself) voted for the chips to go to bkk (I later pmed him saying I wanted it personally). Not too much time or effort was used dwelling on it. The only reason no one else voted was because they didn't have enough to get 1 chip sent one place or another on their own. He also doesn't have a mining company so to say he's using it himself is untrue since he gave them to prodigits7.

As for this quote:

Yes but you forget I have my own project and it is a lot of work doing this group buy as well. 8 so far and I will keep the rest for development. I am only getting 1% (7.8BTC) for doing this group buy. If you guys don't think this is fair then please let me know.

Lets just say I don't think this is fair, which is why I've been asking where they were since they were announced and raging disappeared...