Quote from: CrazyLoaf on March 15, 2018, 01:10:12 AM

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If Ristos items are going to be taken away without refunding the creditors, the game should at least be forked from a date prior to the depo scam.

We won't be doing a prior date fork. For one, CK is not a blockchain so a database fork, especially given how the data was stored, would be an absolute mess.

Just to give one example, what happens with Karl Hungus and Gringotts? All those items him and Roopatra auctioned off are now back in his account to sell again, and honestly based on earlier posts from him, it looks pretty clear he wants the position that he has now (not as a player but as an asset-holder). He even killed off both of his characters!

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I have no XMR, no CKG and no BTC.
Fork prior to the depo scam or refund the debt holders from Zechariach.
At least use other chars for the good of the game, but use at least Zechariach to repay his debts.

We are not dealing with the B1 and E1 depos. If someone has issues with Risto, get in touch with him. There is Malla Manor / Bitcoin castle and tens of millions (at current values if he kept what he had) in that Poloniex account he flashed to us in 2017.

Let us try to actually do something with the game and leave this depo stuff behind us.

The main motivation for reviving CK is -- honestly -- it is insane that something like this with such a history/lineage and so much money moving around it is dead now.

I mean on just what Risto paid PJ (was it 10k or 20k XMR, can't remember now) to "never work for money again," that is $2mil to $4mil at current market values (and was $200k to $400k when paid). Why do we not have a game after that?

Hell, Risto had upwards of 50k XMR in just his CK XMR wallet around the same time. Ten million dollars go poof and still no game?!?

We should take the path that requires the least amount of changes, and that's what Loaf trying to do, turn Risto's accounts into communal Game funds, simple!

Anything else, like trying to resolve b1 debts is too difficult, too impractical, and there will never be universal agreement, I for one think Risto was impaired mentally during the whole depo era, and all withdrawals during that time are questionable, and would need to be returned first in order to distribute to everyone effected fairly. Is that ever going to happen ... no way, what happened can't be reversed, and trying to pay Risto's debts now causes more problems than it solves, and just as many people will disagree, probably more. I don't want to be diluted, and I don't want the potential dev funds reduced to create b1 whales with dubious origins.

None of that means I don't feel for those who lost money, but the biggest loser in CK so far is Risto himself (+50K XMR), and then guys like Karl Hungus (+30K), and then all the rest of us. We all lost, and trying to make some people whole by essentially giving them dev funds will cause more problems than it solves.

All people on the b1 spreadsheet have the option to deal with Risto IRL, but the result might not be what you expect. A contract entered into with a mentally ill person is probably void in most jurisdictions, if you KNOWINGLY profited from a contract with a mentally ill person, what then? Probably a crime in many countries, and really dangerous territory to enter. I remember during the depo crisis Risto was giving away wads of money, and people were withdrawing XMR & bitcoin while Risto was talking about his family crisis interspersed with weird religious 'voices' and talk of suicide and how depressed he was. Seriously, if the Game needs to use Risto's assets to pay b1 debts then ALL those withdrawals and giveaways need to be revisited, to keep things 'fair'.

What we need to do is think like a triage nurse in a battle hospital, who can we help, who is going to die no matter what, who can be saved and needs attention immediately? We can save CK, but not if we spend scarce resources on Risto's b1 & e1 debts.