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Welcome to the world class thinkers, "I can get something for nothing" crowd...

It's not me supporting the guys at the TOP of the PYRAMID! - Not anymore!
So, who is working for the "dark side"? Well, those funding the preorders for the ASIC Companies, who will make THEM Millionaires while making all of you SLAVES, hashing at a fraction of the capacity you bought into, while GIVING ENERGY, (FORCE) to those WHO CONTROL YOU!

For me, No thanks!
I retook my power from the evil dark side of ASIC mining companies. Cool

My feelings exactly - ASICs opened the doors to the worst scams of them all - this was never possible in the GPU days -
everybody had access to real hardware vendors, not these these wannabe pretenders. The verdict on KNC is still out,
I did consider them back in May, but decided against it when they pulled the plug on the FPGA Litecoin miner.
Instead I decided to pursue the Avalon group-buy DIY route - with a reputable organizer (Zefir) - well at least I received
a full refund from Zefir - thank you again.

At this time it does not make sense to buy any mining product, especially a pre-order, as all ASIC manufacturers use their
profits to mine, or even worse, use your pre-ordered equipment to mine (Avalon). and then don't even have the decency
to clean them up, before finally shipping them to their customers.

I am not saying that KNC is like Avalon, but their September shipping date is already moved at best to September 30, if
this month at all. Remember, every ASIC manufacturer is above all else your competition in this game, and they hold
the upper hand. Angry

1. They never pulled the plug on the Litecoin miner. They had never promised any kind of Litecoin miner back then. It was me hassling them non stop to make Mars into one, that's how I struck up a rapport with Sam in the first place, it's in this thread. His response always was the entire point in Mars was to prove of concept of the ASIC code working. He took aboard my comments, and even started a poll on the KnC site, when the volume of people voted 'yes' we want a Litecoin miner KnC only them promised to revisit the idea after the ASIC. They weren't going to develop multiple products simultaneously as that would heap ordinate one or the other project. Now they are working on an FPGA miner.

2. I have to laugh at all this ROI crap, and the nonsense written above my response. How was this ever going to be any different from GPU mining? What you seriously, seriously thought you'd be banking thousands of this? For starters it's a machine that spits out Bitcoins, as graphics cards did when you applied the Bitxoin protocol to them. Secondly, don't blame the manufacturers, blame yourselves, whilst profit margins exist customers pile in, as you all want money printing machines. How many of you had a GPU farm in the first place?? Most came from the media explosion after Cyprus hunting a gold rush. Well like the GPU mining days the real profit will eventually come from a rise in BTC price over time of you believe Bitcoin will continue to grow in strength an adoption. Want some big money? Innovate Bitcoin products and services, making it more approachable to the general public. Convince more people like yourselves to get involved. Stop expecting a free lunch:

Well said.

However....An increased raise in bitcoin price....significant....not very promising.

And I am a seriously FIRM believer in bitcoin....

But with the NSA scandal, and all things considered, nobody can really trust in something they cannot hold...

NO MATTER WHAT!

Anyone who believes in the digital infinite capabilities, is foolish and naive. And believes in something that always be broken or unproven, with sophistication.
That's just the REAL world, folks. It's PHYSICAL, not virtual. Get a grip, get back to reality, and WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

And that's coming from a serious long time activist, with 15 years + in the freedom movement.

WAKE THE FUCK UP, ALREADY!!!! Angry