Quote from: blackarrow on September 27, 2013, 10:49:35 AM

Quote from: darkfriend77 on September 27, 2013, 10:30:06 AM

Quote from: blackarrow on September 27, 2013, 10:20:01 AM

Quote from: darkfriend77 on September 27, 2013, 10:04:53 AM

Quote from: blackarrow on September 27, 2013, 09:42:08 AM

Quote from: wingspan on September 26, 2013, 08:15:16 PM

The above quotes simplify to this for me: BlackArrow has promised his Prospero ASIC pre-orders (completely paid by Oct sometime) will be 25% cheaper than the market price of currently-shipping non-pre-orders

Correction: 25% cheaper than the market price of the orders that are shipped in February 2014, not today.

So If you sell the Prosperos in Febuary for 100$ all pre-order customers, which would get 25% discount (75$), will get the difference btw. there paid prices and 75$ in Hashpower. And you garantued that you will be cheaper then all other market competitors for each timeframe ... for example if Bitmine delivers conicraft for 1 GH / 0.50 $ in February ... you will sell the prosperos for under 50$?

Sorry, I might have some difficulties to understand your ... pricing model ... as it hasn't been written anything of that on the webpage ...

You cannot sell 1Gh/0.50$ not in February and not even at the end of next year. You cannot sell a product for a price which not covers manufacturing costs. As we keep saying there is a threshold where you cannot go lower. That threshold it is called cost of sales, overheads and operating loss.

Then lets take some other numbers ... 1 GH / 2$ ... 200$ for 100 GH ... from an other competitor ... scheduled and delivered in end of February ... If I got you right, you would then adapt your pricing to be better then your competitor ... less then 1 GH / 2$ ... and also pre-orders would profit from that ... right ..?

Let's make the statement and avoid numbers at all

You will see that it does not change the essence of the message. I will use your help.

I will quote you:

"you would then adapt your pricing to be better then your competitor"
"and also pre-orders would profit from that"

You got it right. This is our statement.

What this statement means from the point of view of numbers:
1. 28nm costs are the same for everybody who makes 28nm.
2. a company needs to make profit in order to run further or it is called bankruptcy.
3. a company may choose to have very low profit margins, lower than other companies.

None of this should be the customers problems. As I stated before you keep trying to say anything and everything to get pre-order monies but still no actual set pricing model. Even if one believes your ability to manufacture this everything else is all over the place. Customers don't need essence they need an actual price but you certainly appear to not want to give a price. What happens to your "guarantee" if market prices at the time of shipping happen to be below your costs?