Quote from: SaltySpitoon on March 21, 2018, 04:22:40 AM

The 15-20% that you are calling normal seems to be about the standard for those not as heavily involved in the marketplace sections, so what does that mean about people who are getting tons of feedback for trades they are doing?

Maybe. But DT1 members should actively work to improve the forum. They should add users who leave rightful trust, not just the ones they've traded with
Their special powers should come with special behavior. I think it's absolutely OK for regular users to add to their trust only (or mainly) users they've traded with, but not so for DT1 users

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on March 21, 2018, 04:22:40 AM

As you said in your OP, there is also some consideration to the nature of how a relationship starts. I have a couple of people on my trust list that I would never have known had I not traded with them, so to a certain extent its inevitable. The real metric for who you should trust to add to your trust list, are people that you believe will leave accurate feedback for others and act fairly.

Yes. Definitely the real reason to add someone must be you believe they will leave accurate feedback, not because they left trust to you or because they can be trusted with money

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on March 21, 2018, 04:22:40 AM

Phillipma is indeed a large outlier, but this thread serves as the smoke to warrant further investigation, not necessarily something to draw conclusions from

Fair point. I'll try to investigate more, mainly for the top 3: philipma1957 (I see he's doing so himself, thanks!), OgNasty and Tomatocage
I want to see mainly what users where added to DT2 only because of each one of them and if they're really actively leaving trust to others and thus helping the forum
As others have suggested I also want to know if they were added after or before leaving positive trust to those DT1 members but I don't see how. Let me know if someone can help on this

Quote from: Quickseller on March 21, 2018, 06:54:54 AM

A moderator will likely see reports from users in their trust list, which may play a role in deciding if they can be trusted or not. There also may be non-public information in the staff section about certain users.

Non-public sections are despicable for most non-moderators users. It won't change the research significantly

Quote from: Quickseller on March 21, 2018, 06:54:54 AM

With the exception of philipma1957, I don't think the change in trust score reasonably changes the community perception of how trusted these people are

This trick does change the trust of those involved. philipma1957 seems much more trusted as you mention (but again, he's already working on that), OgNasty falsely appears as the user with the most trust (http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/), Tomatocage increased their trust but less significantly

Quote from: Quickseller on March 21, 2018, 06:54:54 AM

I would be more concerned about DT1 members adding people to their trust list, and the result is certain 3rd parties' trust scores are inflated substantially. This could be an indication that a DT1 member is using their trust list to increase the trust score of either their sockpuppet, or a potential accomplice in a later scam

I would be very interested if this is happening. Post your arguments (i.e. facts or data)

Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2018, 02:58:41 PM

OP, you might be on to something but this needs work.

Do we know the date of when someone gets added to a trust list? I guess those who download trust dumps regularly could figure this out. Maybe that needs to be accounted for.

Yes it needs work. I'll work more on this and I want help. I agree knowing those dates would help but I can't get them

Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2018, 02:58:41 PM

Making philipma1957 look like an example of some sort of abuse is quite ridiculous I think

The fact he's already working to solve this issue makes me think so too

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 21, 2018, 03:05:20 PM

people shouldn't really be added to DT just for doing one or two trades with them. People who have done this in the past have been removed from DT and rightly so. I think the feedbacks that person has left for others should carry just as much weight as the deals they have done with that person. If a person has only really left a few feedbacks then they're largely useless in the grand scheme of the network.

Exactly. The feedback that person has left for others should carry more weight. I will research more to see if users added by these 3 DT1 members are useful "in the grand scheme of the network"

Quote from: philipma1957 on March 21, 2018, 03:41:13 PM

As far as I am concerned I have pruned that list over and over and over and over again.
and I will prune it again. Today right now

Wonderful! Great work. Thanks. I'll check those users later and post here. I hope you can appreciate my feedback

Quote from: philipma1957 on March 21, 2018, 03:41:13 PM

As for the newbie that started the thread why don't you come out from the shadows and let us know whom or who you are?

Why? You should check my arguments much more than who I am

Quote from: philipma1957 on March 21, 2018, 03:41:13 PM

Unacceptable ------------- ? I have not done anything with him since 2013 off my list

I don't think "I have not done anything with him since 2013" is a good argument here. He should stay if he's left useful trust to others, not if he's done anything with you
I see he hasn't left any feedback since almost a year ago and has left only one negative trust (and without reference) in total so I agree he should be removed but for those reasons

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 21, 2018, 04:18:29 PM

But people do put a lot of weight on it. Feedback = trustability to a lot of people (though it obviously shouldn't)

Yes. They shouldn't but they do. that's the reason why DT2 members must leave positive trust considering the fact their feedback is trusted by default (i.e. leave positive trust only to trusted users)
and DT1 members should take this into account to consider adding someone to DT2

Quote from: philipma1957 on March 21, 2018, 04:38:21 PM

So I altered list and I am now at 536 vs 670
Not sure how op wrote numbers up.
But I had already left out 70+ feedbacks
So At this point I will look to alter it more if possible

Thanks for this!

Someone sent a PM to me asking me about the numbers too. It's very simple:
First I see your trust with default settings. i.e. my trust list looks like this:

Code:

DefaultTrust

and I see your trust, currently:
190: -0 / +20 instead of the previous 260: -0 / +27
Then I exclude you (or the DT1 member being checked) so my trust list loos like this:

Code:

DefaultTrust
~philipma1957

and check your trust again:
45: -0 / +5

The difference is the trust you've got because of the fact you added several users as DT2. You wouldn't have that extra trust if you weren't DT1