Quote from: The Avenger on October 11, 2013, 08:28:18 PM

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Quote from: The Avenger on October 11, 2013, 08:04:25 PM

Quote from: timmmers on October 11, 2013, 07:49:24 PM

We all bought an unrefined product did we? Odd, I didn't see those words or anything like that when I paid for mine.
Not in any of the back patting videos or interviews either.

We bought a miner that we were told confidently would have margins upon margins capable of 400Gh and even today no-one has said that this (and the oct 15th date) has changed. Except of course to up it to 550 on the site and most promos ...which currently is false advertising ..as the past 20 pages here bear witness to.

As for all this shite about power consumption...right now is that a big priority to get down? I'd rather have a hashing rig while it's making enough BTC to make a few quid power bill extra irrelevent..later on the power consumption will matter more but not initially compared to a working rig. As long as the PSU handles it, we can wait for a firmware fix to get it down. Hashing reliably without smoke is the priority for users.

The sarcastic tone of Oramas post amazed me, people using fans to reduce temps ..planking? It worked. How bizarre is that? More to the fucking point no-one was talking from KNC end despite much asking...so what else were people to do? "We have a specialist flying in and we'll get back to you as soon as we know something." < see, took me 3 seconds to type that, and even some poor sweaty overworked KnC human could manage that surely?

The way to deal with trainwrecks like this isn't arrogance, sarcasm and silence ..it's communication and apologies and in many cases here where buyers have been so badly let down with multi hosted jupiters...fair compensation.

I wont deal with KnC again, nothing to do with the rigs, it's the denial and head in the sand stuff I can't be living with.

+100000
Totally.

Timmers you are being sensitive. Avenger I'm starting to believe you are a troll. Of course it's unrefined as you well knew. You knew perfectly well they were delivering a product to be placed in your hands in an expedited fashion upon receiving the chips. As such margin upon margins were in place to ensure no post chip receipt refinement was required prior to you being able to hash. Obviously this would mean improvements would then succeed the initiation of delivery, and will continue to do so. There is yet more to come. This is not a first for just Bitcoin mining, this is pretty much a first for the entire IC industry. It's insane. To get this, this right, first time, on 28nm tech is unheard of. Those involved; fab, suppliers, backend, etc. think this is remarkable, and it is.

I ask direct question and you avoid them. It's you're favourite thing to do.

We are talking about shitty communication, lack of updates. Your "sarkiness" and trying to tell a bunch of smart people a PSU is the problem.

And you go rattling on about how remarkable production is. Your answers are stupid and avoid anything pertinent.

Seeya, I answered all your questions politely yesterday despite your name calling, and abuse. You're a blatant troll now, you twist absolutely everything negatively. Yes the PSU is a problem, are you saying you are smarter than these guys and the guy that designed the VRM itself, and has just confirmed the HX850 surges upon reset after triggering it's safety?

Two of the boards that burned were NOT running on a HX850. Explain that with your theory?

That other PSUs also overload current upon reset, instead of a gradual ramping up. With the HX850 upon reset it only lasts around 30 seconds after the safety is triggered and reset of the ATX cable is required to restart the PSU. After which if turned off and on again it behaves as normal with a gradual supply of current instead of overloading the cap. I think Erschiessen has a generic brand psu. That may have been based on the HX850. I do not know. I'll get a better explanation from the GE guy tomo, but it's 10.30pm here, and I've agreed to let him in at 9am. So I really do not need to be on the receiving end of abuse for keeping you updated, and I am not an elec engineer myself, but yes it is particular PSUs. Now I have a bullshit journey to where i'm staying to get minimal sleep and turn around to let this guy in so this issue can come hopefully to a conclusion asap.