Quote from: Puppet on October 14, 2013, 06:35:06 PM

Neither Friedcat nor (afaik) bitfury ever even designed an asic. Any asic. friedcat did get help from some people who did with experience in... embedded soc's.

This "high power" "400 billion transistor" FUDis just that: FUD. Copy pasting a single hashing core a few hundred times isnt exactly the hardest thing on the planet, especially not when compared to laying out a modern SoC with half a dozen clockdomains. And if anything, designing for low power is what really takes skill and experience, its the hardest thing there is. High power is a pretty simple problem by comparison. Lastly, designing for 28nm also isnt meaningfully harder than for other process nodes. The fabbing is a different story, but thats done by tsmc/GF/whatever. Being ex samsung, they are likely the only bitcoin asic designers with 28nm experience.

Anyway, its clear you have an agenda here, and Im getting really tired of this mentality of rooting for one company and fudding all the others (wtf is up with that?), so your ignore button is about to get a bit more yellow, spare yourself the trouble of answering.

Running away are we? You can't win the debate based on facts, so you change the topic to personalities.

And here we thought you wanted to have an intelligent discussion.

Actually it's obvious you don't when you intentionally misstate simple things like 'Friedcat != ASICminer' and '1 billion registers times 400GH/sec must = 400 billion transistors.' Tongue

Huff and puff all you like, it won't help Cointerra get their RTL done or tape-out any sooner.

Go ahead, muddy the water until those you are trying to fool can't follow WTF you're talking about. It won't help Cointerra design their first 28nm chip from scratch, or help OpenSilicon do their first original 28nm layout.

Throwing some ARM IP on an SOC for Samsung's Hitler phones is simple, even at 28nm.

Designing an entirely new chip, coding the RTL, and getting the physical architecture done correctly is totally different matter.

Cointerra has just realized this, that's why they've STFU recently. Perhaps you should join them in being conspicuously silent? Wink