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IDE cables have some interconnect, so i think this replacement will not work but certainly you can have a try.

Some interconnect? What do you mean by this?

They are 40/80 ping across the two connections with no twisting.

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/ide-ribbon.jpg

IDE cables have a missing pin.

Pin 20 isn't missing it's just covered because it's not used by the IDE controller, plus they added another security feature to make sure you don't plug the cable in the wrong way. In my case I can get straight through 80pin cables that don't have pin 20 blocked.

If it's covered it's missing because there's a pin hole missing (therefor missing a pin on the other side) where one should exist ... 80 pin cables are wrong as the IDC connectors used by Avalon are 40 pin ...

Did you even read what I said? (shrug)

I read what you said and shrugged. You said a pin was covered. ---1) It's a hole that's missing (more specifically, covered). 2) The pin is missing (literally, it's missing). ---
What you failed to understand is if the hole is covered then the pin is missing. There's nothing covering that pin that doesn't exist.

What you said is the pin is covered. There, actually, is no pin that is covered. There's a pin hole that's covered and a pin that is missing on the opposite side for IDE cables and their associated connectors and headers versus the correct IDC cables and their associated connectors and headers. Translation: Kartaiv was right ...

Depending on the manufacture some cables are likely missing the pin, while others aren't and what the manufacture does it put a piece of plastic into the hole to cover it. How I know this is because in my 30+ years of working in IT I have managed to destroy a few IDE Ultra 133 cables in my time which allowed me to take a look at the connector from a manufacturing level, 95% of the time the pin was there and the cable was punched down. Yes you can show all the pictures you want and draw conclusions based on your assumptions but until you do the actual leg work you are still only assuming the actual pin behind the hole that is blocked isn't there.

And I never said the pin was missing, I just said it was covered, there is a big difference between missing and covered.

Update:

This gets back to what I was saying about pin 20 being covered, see the blue connector and the black one not missing a single pin? Only the beige connector which is used for the secondary hard drive is missing a pin, the cables I am looking at buying are ultra 133 Black to Blue no beige in between and pin 20 isn't blocked on either end of the connectors from the outside.

Ultra 133 cables purpose was to cut down on the cross talk, which is something possibly the Avalon could benefit from but I will have to test it.