Quote from: Noa_Amable on April 02, 2018, 06:46:45 PM

Quote from: pirotick on April 02, 2018, 01:11:12 AM

Quote from: Noa_Amable on April 01, 2018, 05:57:30 PM

Quote from: pirotick on March 31, 2018, 02:48:20 PM

1. sharing 20% of your net profit with token holders. You removed this entirely! So no more active participants, no more 20% sharing.

As for the question why did we decide to close the Active Participants Club? B2BX as well as the large majority of other tokens is a utility token. While negotiating with the exchanges regarding listing we were told that the existence of APC can carry a risk of our token being considered a security since participants can earn additional token income. Most exchanges dont list and dont work with security tokens, because security tokens are basically a stock and should comply with the relevant SEC regulation. To avoid the risk of being considered a security token, we decided to close the Active Participant Club.

Quote from: pirotick on March 31, 2018, 02:48:20 PM

2. Commissions to be paid exclusively in B2B token, but you also accept fiat and claim to "purchase tokens from the market". Here is how you purchase tokens from the market:

https://imgur.com/zJ9og16

You just use bot to place buy and sell order from your self. Technically, you are purchasing B2B tokens, the problem is, you are not buying them from organic market, you are buying them from your self and it doesn't affect demand so the price stagnates.

We don't use a bot in order to buy tokens from ourselves. I don't see any data on this screenshot that can possibly prove that we are cheating.

Quote from: pirotick on March 31, 2018, 02:48:20 PM

3. Other fees for your services are CAN be paid in B2B but you also accept fiat and other cryptocurrencies. So payment with B2B is optional.

So what exactly is the use of your "utility token"?

I just cannot believe you cannot understand this. Its not that hard!

Why are payments with B2B optional? It is pretty simple, our token is available to our clients, but not as a mandatory because in this way we can attract more clients and those clients gonna use our tokens. For instance, they will pay a lower commission if they use our token instead of using bitcoin or ethereum.

1. Now you are admitting you closed active participants club completely? I mean, just a few days a go, you said its just some token holders now, others later.... etc...

2. yes you do use bot, DONT make me to take a video this time what you are doing on sh*tty mercatox! Just dont, I have other things to do, just dont want it to seem as I lost an argument and your company is not scamming people cause it is a scamming people. Dont make me take a video how a sale is executed before general users can even see an offer...

3. Payments optional mean usage of B2B is optional, meaning people who have ETH or LTC will prefer to pay in ETH or LTC, ppl with fiat will prefer fiat etc...we talked about this already.

So, as of now, no participants club, you use bots to sell / buy your own tokens to increase volume and payments in B2B are optional.

Look Noa, on some level I am sure you understand all this but you have a job to do to defend these people as an employee, but I got to say, its a sh*tty job you got yourself there!

Finally, you need to understand that I know this project inside and out. I know where its strengths could be, weaknesses and where you are scamming people. For example, I also know that you employed bots on your exchange to boost volume and I can even post a proof here if you make me.

What you need to do is, sit and talk to your community and give them a share. Give them something so they profit as well. Get together, explain that you are canceling APC but add something to replace it. Also, you take fiat for fees and buy tokens from your self. Explain to your community that it isnt easy to explain to professionals that they need to shop around exchanges to gather tokens for fees, but provide a solution that will make them profit too, not just buying from your self...be creative and most of all methodical...

There are solutions, which wouldnt cost you much, but would have enormous impact on token price.

If you are fair, that is what you need to do. Take it up to your bosses and if they are not greedy pricks I think they are, they will do it.

What goes around, comes around. You don't hear us. We don't buy from ourselves, we buy on the exchange. We announced on Friday that we close the club of active participants. Our participants will get their profit during the process of trade on the exchange as a result of token growing price. The "Share profit" will just spoil the listing. We are tired to repeat that. This is our last message which we publish here within the context of this, unfortunately, senseless conversation.

Being rude, does not answer the questions.
Tokenomy/Active participants benefit description, was available during the pre-sale and sale of your tokens, but as soon as its time to start actually filling your promises BAM it vanishes and such remarks as "we cant as if we do our token will be considered as security" are foolish as you needed to think of it before including it into documentation.

In your case, only way to regain some type of trust, is to buy-back and burn token equivalent of 20% profits.

But on the other hand, about what GOOD BIG EXCHANGE listing you are talking about, Kraken? Binance? the only listing you must get is Mt. Gox. as non of your promises were filled.