Quote from: klondike_bar on October 25, 2013, 08:19:30 PM

Quote from: Inaba on October 25, 2013, 08:02:31 PM

Quote from: klondike_bar on October 25, 2013, 07:27:47 PM

Quote from: Inaba on October 25, 2013, 05:36:23 PM

People are finding out it's not as easy to create a brand new product as they would have you believe, that's what's happening. Even the people using others IP can't bring products to market (Look at Bicknellski's failed ventures) with all of the parts already laid out for them, much less create anything from scratch.

Surprise! It actually requires skill, commitment and dedication to create a new product and bring it to market.

1) create product [check]
2) bring to market [....uh....check?]
3) fulfill all pre-orders and sell from in-hand stock [i guess in two weeks...right now you are shipping preorders 2-4months later than initially 'promised'/suggested]
4) take preorders on next-gen product that is rediculously overpriced by today's standards, and promise to deliver it before the 110nm preorders are filled

Can you point to a vendor that's doing number 3 now? Are you seriously complaining that because demand is exceeding supply, it is somehow the vendors fault?

As for 4, I have no idea what you are talking about. BFL doesn't have any 110nm products and again, are you seriously complaining about the fact that people are paying money for a given product and the vendor charges what people will pay... but it's "overpriced" even though people are paying it? If it was overpriced, people wouldn't buy it - that is simple economics. If you think it's over priced, don't buy it. The majority of the market disagrees with you, so that makes you the one that is incorrect.

So basically points 3 and 4 are invalid and you have proven my point.

you cant be serious? asicminer, bitfury, and avalon are all selling units that are available immediately.

Huh, Avalon, really? Last I checked, they had imploded. Bitfury shows out of stock on all products. ASICminer was order and wait last time I looked, but perhaps that's changed, I don't keep up with them much. Please provide links otherwise?

Quote from: Bitsaurus on October 25, 2013, 09:08:11 PM

Quote from: Inaba on October 25, 2013, 07:21:43 PM

Oh really? As one of the few shipping ASIC vendors, I think that makes me qualified to speak on the subject, unlike you. What have you done to bring a new product to the market from scratch? Oh that's right... nothing at all.

How loose your definitions are. Roll Eyes

By shipping, do you mean shipping stuff today for items that were ordered almost a year ago? Shipping items in variations much different than what was ordered? Shipping out hardware that mines for 2 days and then dies and have to wait 8 days for someday just to issue an RMA even after requesting in email, forums, shoutbox, etc?

There are no orders being shipped that were ordered a year ago, please stop spreading false information. Our failure rate on hardware is less than 1%, much better than industry average, so again, your argument is invalid.

Sorry, but if you consider 400 - 1000+ units shipped per day in this industry to be "few devices" you need to have your head examined.