Quote from: Tehfiend on October 26, 2013, 06:25:55 PM

Quote from: Inaba on October 25, 2013, 05:36:23 PM

People are finding out it's not as easy to create a brand new product as they would have you believe, that's what's happening. Even the people using others IP can't bring products to market (Look at Bicknellski's failed ventures) with all of the parts already laid out for them, much less create anything from scratch.

Surprise! It actually requires skill, commitment and dedication to create a new product and bring it to market.

It's definitely a lot easier than you have made it look as KNC brought a 28nm ASIC miner to market in a little over 4 months.

Quote from: Inaba on October 25, 2013, 07:21:43 PM

Oh really? As one of the few shipping ASIC vendors, I think that makes me qualified to speak on the subject, unlike you. What have you done to bring a new product to the market from scratch? Oh that's right... nothing at all.

Yes you are right, you are living proof of the risks people face when making pre-orders as the VAST majority of your customers experienced insane delays and extremely negative ROI if they managed to receive their product. We can now say "be careful you don't get BFL'ed when pre-ordering" and pretty much everybody will know exactly what that means.

Quote from: Inaba on October 25, 2013, 08:02:31 PM

Can you point to a vendor that's doing number 3 now? Are you seriously complaining that because demand is exceeding supply, it is somehow the vendors fault?

As for 4, I have no idea what you are talking about. BFL doesn't have any 110nm products and again, are you seriously complaining about the fact that people are paying money for a given product and the vendor charges what people will pay... but it's "overpriced" even though people are paying it? If it was overpriced, people wouldn't buy it - that is simple economics. If you think it's over priced, don't buy it. The majority of the market disagrees with you, so that makes you the one that is incorrect.

So basically points 3 and 4 are invalid and you have proven my point.

Yes actually it is the vendors vault when they sell more pre-orders than they could possibly ever ship in their advertised time-frame such as BFL has done. Both Bitsyncom and KNC (and most others really) sold limited numbers in their batches unlike BFL who pretty much took money from anybody willing to get in their line with no idea that your advertised shipping times were complete lies which would slip time and time and time and time and time again.

Quote from: Inaba on October 25, 2013, 09:13:46 PM

Huh, Avalon, really? Last I checked, they had imploded.

Check again. A few weeks ago I purchased 3 Avalon mini's that shipped in less than 72 hours after I ordered them. They are due to ship their gen2 hardware OFF THE SHELF any time now...

Quote from: Inaba on October 25, 2013, 09:13:46 PM

There are no orders being shipped that were ordered a year ago, please stop spreading false information. Our failure rate on hardware is less than 1%, much better than industry average, so again, your argument is invalid.

Sorry, but if you consider 400 - 1000+ units shipped per day in this industry to be "few devices" you need to have your head examined.

Josh everybody knows you're smart enough to understand that in "this industry", volume means nothing and hashrate means everything. It's like comparing the number of 300MH block eruptors with the number of 500GH Jupiters that have shipped. By repeating this over and over it is only revealing the deception you are constantly hiding behind.

The fact is BFL has been a disaster. Sure not a COMPLETE disaster like bASIC but still a disaster. While waiting for my 60GH Feb BFL pre-order to arrive:
- I've pre-ordered Avalon batch #2 units in Feb which arrived in JUNE for a total of 190GH
- I've pre-ordered raw Avalon chips from Zephir in April which arrived in July, had them sent to Germany where Burnin used a custom board to ship me functioning BitBurner miners in August all from scratch!
- I pre-ordered from a BRAND NEW company KNC back in June which shipped a 525GH miner to me THREE WEEKS AGO!
- I've ordered 3 Avalon Mini's on Oct 15th which shipped within 72 hours which had three times the hashrate for less than my BFL pre-order cost which has still not shipped

What has BFL been doing during these 8+ months since others have produced miners FROM SCRATCH in much less time? It's 100% obvious that BFL sold MANY MANY MANY more orders than they could possible ever ship and all of the lies that have been spewed by you during this past year amount to fraud in my opinion.

/school