Quote from: reactor on October 27, 2013, 04:11:51 PM

Alright, should I run through all the diff estimate vs. roi calculators that exist which show that basically no vendor is selling hardware that will pay for itself before it costs more to run than it is earning? Or can you handle that on your own, then come back?

Honestly, mining = race to the bottom. People jumped on the BFL ship en masse then freaked out when they got delayed. OMFG, a delay with experimental hardware, who would have guessed? But that bandwagon left a long time ago. Get a tissue, cry in the corner, then come back to add something valid. Saying "These guys were late" once a week, every week, in a brand new thread does nothing, adds nothing, and only points out that people just can't get over it.

If you're that hard off on finding a cause, look for companies basically dumping cancer water into public water sources, pharmas who sell drugs that can kill people with zero legal recourse, or technology companies who basically use slave labor for obtaining their rare earth minerals and turn a blind eye to it. BFL makes Bitcoin mining hardware and was late on every estimate. Josh is one employee out of a company who has delivered several generations of mining hardware, more than almost anyone on this forum can say.

And for disclosure, no I don't have any monarchs on order, but if BFL catches up to the point where it is reasonable to order > ship within a week and their hardware is priced right I would purchase from them again because everything from my purchase to change of address to interactions with employees has been pleasant. Not the same story for everyone, but otherwise they've lived up to their end of the bargain, albeit delivering late.

People didn't jump on an "experimental hardware" ship. BFL showed they had products for sale and even shipped those products to "reviewers" (codinginmysleep.com for example) so we could "see their awesomeness". It's hard to understand were you are coming from to think that the constant complaining does nothing as it actually serves as a tool to preserve the reputation of BFL in the public memory. It serves to keep other unsuspecting individuals from hopping onto the "experimental hardware" band wagon that purports to have actual products for sale (viable or not)!
We aren't in need of a cause - as you can plainly see, we have one! Just because it doesn't meet up with your lofty expectations doesn't mean we should be quiet about it. BFL may have shipped lots of miners but the fact that they took more orders than they could comfortably fill has to resonate in this forum until such time as they re-think their business model.

What part of the bargain they lived up to are you referring to? The 1 watt per gigahash bargain? The USB powered bargain? The backlog filled by the end of August bargain? The end of September bargain? (oh wait there was no end of September bargain!) The ramped up production to 400 units per day? You are just tahnking your lucky stars you got yours when you did and that's all it took to keep your mouth shut. Try to imagine you are still waiting and your 2500 bucks has evaporated. Anyway, why would you enter a thread with this title and not expect to see this type of talk? Telling people to find a "higher" cause is utterly ridiculous here.

And for disclosure, I HAVE ordered a BFL device and I AM STILL waiting for it after more than 6 months and I AM pissed off and I WONT ever do business with BFL in the future. I have also donated to the Red Cross, Movember Canada, Run for the Cure, the Heart and Stroke foundation, The Salvation Army, The Canadian Legion, Wikileaks and others... but I realize that is meaningless in this forum and I apologize for the spam.

Take care