Quote from: stompix on April 08, 2018, 02:52:39 PM

Quote from: cellard on April 08, 2018, 02:31:37 PM

There are still some interesting things to learn from there tho. They claim that "this time would be different" (as opposed to previous iterations of Communism) because of the technological progress. They also claim it's not Communism. Anyway, my point is, it is true that in 100 to 1000 years, most jobs will already be automated, so 99% of people will simply not be necessary. How does capitalism deal with it? I can only see 2 outcomes:

1) Capitalism overlords kill us all, and they control the machines
2) We rebel against Capitalism overlords and get some sort of minimum guaranteed income to cover basic needs

I don't see any other resolution.

Yeah, that's what they were saying 100 years ago also, robots will take all out jobs and yet here we are...

They can claim whatever they want as long as they preach that everyone will be equal, there will be no need for armies or police, there will be no crime because the individual will be happy, you can put lipstick on a pig but....you know.

One more thing.
Why do you use the words "we" (especially since we're talking 100, 1000 years in the future) and you decide we have to fight the "overlords". Who are those "overlords". And why trying to fight against them rather that trying to become one?

Capitalism existed under different forms throughout our entire human history.
A lot have tried to put labels, definitions, to create the impression it's something new a menace to the human individual, socialist have tried to hide the facts that it existed well beyond the 18th century.

And it will still exist, and the "overlords" will not kill us!

Ah, well this is the definition of the American dream right? If you were to work hard, you can pull your self up by the bootstraps and become very wealthy and reap what you sew, right?

It is very clear that the middle income wage gap is increasing quickly and you can't pretend that it is not significantly more difficult to "make it" if you don't have the benefits of being born into a family that has already "made it". Plus, why should we be still using the same economical system as what our forefathers were using 100, 200+ years ago? Money is a good way to persuade people to give you goods or provide you service without going through the hassles of trading goats and chicken feed. With technology how it is and the fact that we will probably be end up being replaceable in *almost* every job by robots, why do we need to persuade anyone to do anything any more? Humans are becoming obsolete in the job market.