Quote from: CoinCube on April 12, 2018, 07:11:39 AM

Quote from: Astargath on April 12, 2018, 12:02:57 AM

I really have a hard time understanding how religious people cope with themselves with this kind of stuff. You seem to be perfectly ok with god, a dictator, making rules that if you don't obey, you get killed for. How is that an all loving god? Why would you agree with that, why do you think that's a good idea at all? So a guy picking up sticks should be put to death because god said you shouldn't work on the sabbath and you think thats fair because ey, god said you shouldn't? Where is your free will then? Not fucking free will if you get killed for it, is it? Plus what the fuck is that law anyways that you shouldn't work in a specific day and how fucking horrible is it, to work on a specific day that you should die for it. You think if Trump or any other president would make a law like that today, anyone would agree? Honestly you people are fucked in the head.

The reason you feel this way is because you regard this particular commandment as trivial and regard God as myth. Thus your imagination is filled with visions of inquisitions and persecuted innocents.

There is no religions group I am aware of even extremist sects that advocate a death penalty for working on the sabbath.
Your fear of being forced at gun point to relax one day a week seems far fetched to the point of ridiculousness.

You also fail to appreciate that without God you are basically operating under nihilistic assumptions and under nihilism any system of rules a society chooses to implement and enforce is by definition arbitrary and meaningless. You can operate by might makes right, let the judges make the rules, or let a majority vote rule all are equally arbitrary and meaningless under nihilism.

What is interesting about the Sabbath is the high degree of importance that is attached to it in the Bible. As other commandment like don't murder are obvious in their necessity one cannot help but wonder why the Sabbath is so critical that it is essentially elevated to near same level of importance as avoiding murder.

Yes, I'm sorry for not being able to be a sheep and follow the orders of ''god'' because he ''knows better''. Hey, how do you know he knows better, well, you don't but he does. And here we have the biggest flaw of religion and gods and the silliest argument made by religious followers. No no, don't try to understand god, you can't, god works in mysterious ways yet I'm supposed to follow everything he says because, he knows everything but I don't know if he knows everything, you see the flaw here?

How do we know that a law like ''don't work on the sabbath or die'' is stupid? Because we have evolved, our culture has evolved, socially we have evolved. We know that putting someone to death for something like that is not fair just like many other terrible things that the bible mentions, our morality is superior now which to me shows that the word of ''god'' is nothing, if god was a god, everything said in the bible would make sense to everyone and would be morally perfect, wouldn't it?

Here is the thing, even if your god existed, how would I ever know, here while I am alive, that he is in fact an all loving god and not a dictator that's just experimenting on us, how do I know that he is no deceiving us or that he doesn't even care about us? If I'm not able to understand anything he does how am I supposed to trust him?

I understand that after a life of indoctrination is really hard to snap out of it, I was like this too, god was everything to me but eventually I realized he wasn't answering my prayers, he wasn't really answering anyones prayers, he didn't make much sense when I actually looked into it and I was still a believer and prayed for days and days for him to give me a sign, something to know that he truly exists, nothing happened, god doesn't exist.