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I am copying here's what's being happening in telegram, since it's not easy to follow it for people who don't want to spend hours reading through all posts.
The saga goes on:

Demarsac posted:

Well 80% IN this post is a lie.
When we started there was No website, No Windows Desktop Wallet - you know the one you ALL use, No Twitter, No Discord and No official presence, No Telegram, No security update, No Crex24 and a dying bitcointalk. All these were created by us. So since we didn't really do anything as per your post then we really have nothing to pass on right? Also ostracizing previous management and bad talking won't get you really far. Happy Easter Monday Constantin.

Also why don't you really tell to the people about the time you miscalculated your math by an order of magnitude and asked me what i m doing with the community pool fee when this fee does not cover even the monthly server expense? Remember when you implied i am stealing 40$ per month?
No offense but there is nothing to hand over. You can make a new website and pay like i did domains, website creation, desktop wallet, crex24 all these are money paid from my pocket. And i never asked for anything.

So I replied:

I guess that by now hopefully you realized what people think of you and your pathetic megalomaniac posts of yours. People have already answered to most of your false claims, but let me add a few more details to make the truth shine:

1) Discord was suggested by myself. You and lutsifer didn't think that it was a good idea (we have the transcripts of your pms)
2) You also didn't want telegram to happen, so Ingar founded it unofficially. When you realized its success, you jumped in.
3) We did recognize the security update and the crex24 listing, so implying that we didn't is a lie.
4) Bitcointalk was pretty much active, you just started a new thread.
5) A couple of days ago, you said you would step down and that anyone is willing to lead is welcome. Now you 're saying you don't step down and that there is nothing to hand over. Well, I guess that's no surprise.
6) We did offer you to be a co-equal member in the new team, despite your attitude. You disregarded our offer.
7) Regarding my miscalculation: I never claimed to be infallible. Once I realized the error, I declared that I have faith in you, a fact that you conveniently forgot to mention. Here is the transcript in Greek:

Σωστός o Bράχoς! Ένα δεκαδικό μας έκανε άνω κάτω.
Eπειδή όλη αυτή η κoυβέντα μας παρέσυρε, ας επικεντρωθoύμε στα σημαντικά, δεδoμένoυ ότι τo θέμα της διαχείρισης των εισφoρών θεωρώ ότι πλέoν είναι εκ των oυκ άνευ, και δηλώνω καλή πίστη στo DM.

You also skipped mentioning that all I was looking for was transparency in funds administration, since we were planning to donate a significant amount of zer.

8 ) A working Windows wallet was already posted by cryptosights, on November 29th, based on Vaklinov's swing wallet, just as the wallet lutsifer posted shortly after. We would have a Windows wallet even without lutsifer's wallet, which, after all is the same as cryptosight's, as lutsifer himself admitted on that same day. Also, saying that you paid for the Windows wallet, is just ridiculous.

9) Regarding the web site, which is after all simply bad looking, full of grammatical errors and and never gets updated: Guido had already paid for a domain and Ingar had already made a web site. You rejected them, and chose to go with your own, so bragging about your bad choice doesn't make you any wiser.

You know, in the beginning, it looked like your intentions were pure. You were writing things like:

"I do NOT own this project
ZERO COMMUNITY owns this project and it belongs to the community."

I guess you either never meant it or since you took over you realized you liked the chair too much, the same way politicians do in Greece, so when they get elected they forget all promised and become corrupted and arrogant. No doubt relying on a sociophobic and controlling developer such as lutsifer contributed heaps on your dictatorial stance and governance.

Hi;

Can I ask a question with my limited experience/knowledge?
If this is really was a community takeover project, would not it be right to do at least voting for who will be in charge for managing?

Kind regards

That's what they promised at first, community voting and transparrancy. Seen nothing come to fruition af that kind. Instead they made a Committee consisting of the old team members that never were critical of Demarsac, and blocked all the new fresh thinkers that started all of this including me. They even blocked me from telegram and discord. These people are worse than Demarsac, at least he didn't block people and was open to people that had different opinions. Good luck on your coin, don't get wrecked here.

https://i.imgur.com/8bmVBP9.jpg

You forgot to mention all the other chats we had about you creating a secret chat to make a committee of 7 members that will decide everything, without letting the community vote.

I asked that all the talking would be done in the mod/dev chat and you didn't want to do that then I asked for an invite to the other chat, you wouldn't. (I even guaranteed there would be no secrecy in the second shown post.)

I also asked to be invited to the secret group so I can survey and keep others that are also sceptical sattisfied in the 2nd post on the right.

You never reacted to any of my questions, So then I left the mod/dev channel and posted in the main channel what happend, and that there would be no community voting on important things like leadership, masternodes etc. You then banned me from the main chat.

Don't show one sided information and think people will be stupid enough to buy it. Why don't you post the posts where members of the mod/dev chat discovered you had a secret chat? And the posts constantin made where he clearly states this is not a democracy, and that democracy is overrated? What about the posts before I left the chat (for instance from ingar and benny)? That's some nice photoshopping you did there, you removed quite some posts.

You knew that I could contribute quite a lot, thats why you kept asking me to contribute, but I will have none of that autocracy and secrecy that you offer, I will only let the people know what they deserve to know.