Quote from: CoinCube on April 13, 2018, 03:52:00 AM

Quote from: Astargath on April 12, 2018, 09:45:27 PM

Speaking of dark matter, here is a video that says what I usually want to say about religion and heaven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjCRWeG_AQ

It's short but straight to the point, enjoy, maybe it changes your mind at least just so slightly.

Yep that sounds like your argument Astargath.

Several reasons I do not find it moving.

1) It assumes the reality of hell as eternal torment forever. As I have said this is not a belief I share. Here again is some info on an alternative view.

Annihilationism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism

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Annihilationism (also known as extinctionism or destructionism[1]) is a belief that after the final judgment some human beings and all fallen angels (all of the damned) will be totally destroyed so as to not exist, or that their consciousness will be extinguished,[2] rather than suffer everlasting torment in hell (often synonymized with the lake of fire).

Annihilationism is directly related to the doctrine of conditional immortality, the idea that a human soul is not immortal unless it is given eternal life. Annihilationism asserts that God will eventually destroy the wicked, leaving only the righteous to live on in immortality. Some annihilationists (e.g. Seventh-day Adventists) believe God's love is scripturally described as an all-consuming fire[3] and that sinful creatures cannot exist in God's presence. Thus those who elect to reject salvation through their free will are eternally destroyed because of the inherent incompatibility of sin with God's holy character. Seventh-day Adventists posit that living in eternal hell is a false doctrine of pagan origin, as the Wicked will perish (as the Bible says) in the Lake of fire.[4][5][6][7] Jehovahs Witnesses believe that there can be no punishment after death because the dead cease to exist.[8]

Annihilationism stands in contrast to both the traditional and long-standing belief in eternal torture in the lake of fire, and the belief that everyone will be saved (universal reconciliation or simply "universalism").

The belief in Annihilationism, has appeared throughout Christian history, but has always been in the minority.[9]

2) It assumes that evil will be allowed to exist in heaven.

3) It has very pro communism undertones. This is actually ironic because pathological ideologies like communism are exactly what people turn to once they reject God.

I have laid out all of these arguments up-thread and you are not convinced. That is ok we all must forge our own identities and the path each of us take is different.

I have noticed in our multi page back and for that you usually seek only to deconstruct the position of others. I recommend instead that you focus your energy constructively. Seek to determine exactly what you do believe in. What is your truth and what are its implications. From there you can better evaluate if you have chosen a truth you can live with or a false ideology leading to a dead end.

In the end we all live out our faiths whatever they may be. If our beliefs do not line up with reality then we suffer and learn.

Imagine Dragons - Believer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wtfhZwyrcc

1. Even if it didn't, you would still have to live in heaven knowing that your wife, mother or anyone who didn't believe in god are gone forever

2. It actually makes a really good point which is: how can heaven be evil free without turning humans into mindless robots

3. The idea to worship god forever is quite disturbing.

4. Living in heaven with someone that raped you when you were a kid is also quite disturbing.

5. You get to worship god forever and ever, such a meaningful life, right?