Quote from: CoinCube on April 13, 2018, 07:51:30 PM

Quote from: Astargath on April 13, 2018, 12:17:23 PM

1. Even if it didn't, you would still have to live in heaven knowing that your wife, mother or anyone who didn't believe in god are gone forever

2. It actually makes a really good point which is: how can heaven be evil free without turning humans into mindless robots

3. The idea to worship god forever is quite disturbing.

4. Living in heaven with someone that raped you when you were a kid is also quite disturbing.

5. You get to worship god forever and ever, such a meaningful life, right?

The concept of how to reconcile free will and God is a deep one. Are you really interested in exploring this or are you just looking for areas of complexity so you can quickly dismiss the entire matter as "disturbing" or "not meaningful"?

If you are interested in this topic it requires some contemplation it as it is one of the deeper theological challenges.

Here is a lengthy and a short source of information.

The first source is a long video by Rabbi Moishe New. He goes into great depth on the topic of Free Choice, Determinism, and God's Knowledge.

Do We Really Have Free Will?
https://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/1994469/jewish/Do-We-Really-Have-Free-Will.htm

A shorter answer assuming you lack the time to watch the video can be found in the comments section below that video. Here is comment by Ruth Housman sums it up well.

"The end point of the debate, is to reach a point in which it isn't a debatable question, because one's WILL then, in terms of relinquishment of free will, is identical to the Will of the Creator, so one freely gives up one's free will for the sake of the story that brought the individual forward, toward the knowledge that One ness is the pervasive force in the universe and that God controls not part but the entire story. Every soul has a journey and every detail of that journey is, paradoxically "known" within a framework that on this "plane" feels like free will. The journey of soul, that does require movement forward, as in rejecting evil inclination, brings one to the final realization it always was, All God."

In regards to your critiques.

1. Hopefully, those who have erred in life and beliefs (by definition basically all of us) will be given the opportunity to rectify ourselves after death if we fail to do so in life. We do not have definitive sources knowledge of this currently and theological beliefs vary.

2. Envisioning humans as mindless robots in heaven misunderstands free will see the video lecture above.

3 and 5. What could be more meaningful then honoring the creator and sustainer of the entire universe?

4. If an individual truly repents of a horrific sin and crime they not only reject the sin. They are horrified by it, wish they had never done it, would never do it again, and attempt to make a genuine and full amends for the harm they did. As evil cannot exists in heaven true repentance of all sin would seem a necessary prerequisite.

See that's the problem, if God is real and the only proof left for his existence is a book, I would expect that book to have something different from other books like explaining in detail how we have free will or the rules of heaven, instead you have catholics, baptists, orthodox and a ton more, interpreting the book their own way.

1. If that's really the case that also means all kind of rapists, murderers are given that chance too and you find yourself in heaven with all of them, you did good all your life and they didn't and yet you are in the same place, what was the point of life on earth anyways then? Why is this not clearly explained in the bible?

2. No it doesn't. The point is, how is god going to prevent humans from committing sin in heaven, it is not explained in the bible as usual.

3. A god omnipotent and all powerful certainly would not care or need to be worshiped at all.

4. Although you can fully repent, how can god prevent the person from committing a sin afterwards.