Quote from: Anon136 on April 20, 2018, 10:05:56 PM

Quote from: jbreher on April 20, 2018, 07:21:14 PM

Well, the way I see it, Lightning was two years too late. And it will be three or four years too late before it makes an appreciable difference. In professional engineering, one always does the best bang for the buck before engaging more resource intensive, longer, more complex solutions. Simple blocksize increase first.

Yea well maybe if that had been the rhetoric of the big blockers at the time there wouldn't have developed this schism. If they had said, look we need to increase the block size enough to get us over this hump until we can roll out some more practical second layer solutions and pressed for that I bet they could have gotten our capitulation.

That was the rhetoric. Since about 2014. Well before the fork.

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Instead Ver comes out ranting and raving about how he is the one true emissary of Satoshis will and that Satoshi wanted huge blocks, big enough that everyone and their grandma can fit how ever many trivial transactions as they wish in there and that that WAS the solution to scaling, not a temporary stop gap measure.

Ver? Ver wasn't involved in Bitcoin Cash until well after the fork. At least as far as I have seen. Have you forgotten Bitcoin Unlimited? Bitcoin XT? etc?

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Your argument sounds reasonable enough but they are not the arguments I am familiar with from the bcash community. I think perhaps you may be projecting rather than accurately describing the general consensus in the community. Unless you are trying to run defense for them by presenting them in a more rational light.

Defense for whom? This silly conflating of Ver, Wu, and Wright as 'the BCH community' is a complete mischaracterization. Yes, they talk about BCH. As do a host of others. But the only ones that seem to be quoted by those that hate BCH are these three. Well, maybe Mcafee too.

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Quote from: jbreher on April 20, 2018, 07:21:14 PM

Add that the way Core/BS implemented the ugly kluge of shoehorning segwit in via a so-called soft fork has fundamentally changed Bitcoin's security model, and there is not much to love there.

They did that because their hand was forced by you guys. No one wanted to roll that out as early as they did in that state. They were trying to save bitcoin from Ver's hair brained machinations.

No. That was the segwit plan from the start of when core started seriously discussing its implementation. Long before serious talk of Bitcoin Cash. Which was itself a defensive move to save Bitcoin from the cancer that is The SegWit Omnibus Changeset.