Quote from: NewLiberty on November 14, 2013, 02:12:31 PM

Quote from: crumbs on November 14, 2013, 01:52:44 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on November 14, 2013, 04:44:13 AM

Quote from: bassclef on November 12, 2013, 05:20:30 PM

The system is huge, complex, and has grown ever dependent on itself. It is a house of cards, a lumbering dinosaur, and not nearly as nefarious as some of you think.

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The government generally isn't bad as in evil, generally its bad as in incompetent.
Problem is, when you have the monopoly on the right to kill, steal and imprison and impoverish, it amounts to about the same thing.
It wants to do the right thing, but usually since that means not doing anything, it gets that part wrong and does something anyhow and poorly.

"...monopoly on the right to kill, steal and imprison and impoverish."
Lol, i take it you'd rather have everyone kill, steal and impoverish? What a wacky, wonderful world that would be!

Soapbox rhetoric aside, governments have pretty lousy monopolies on murder, as anyone on the receiving end of "stand your ground" laws would tell you if the sucker could talk.
Some governments are so bad at killing they don't even kill murderers -- the free market killing entrepreneurs.
Some monopoly Undecided

As far as wholesale theft/impoverishment goes, i'd say folks here are doing just fine without any government help. Check the securities subforum.
Money-revolutionary known as DPR tried to do some murdering too, but he botched that up. Oh well, maybe next time Undecided

Incompetent and archaic as nation-states may be, they appear to control approximately 100% of this here planet Earth, while neo-anarco-capital-libertarian-whatevers control exactly goose egg.
Go figure.

Looks like we agree then. Despite having the franchised monopoly power on all those, they are incompetent at enforcing it.

"Franchised monopoly"? Lol, a government in this case is both the franchisor & the franchise. You got to stay away form them soapbox words Cheesy

The proof of nation-state success is success itself -- the fact that our entire *planet* is controlled by nation-states.
Thus far you're yet to show any product, regardless of the Liberstriation you subscribe to.
All you have done thus far is critique. As they say, the most dispensable person in the theater is the critic