Quote from: NewLiberty on November 17, 2013, 05:25:19 AM

Quote from: crumbs on November 16, 2013, 03:52:31 PM

Lol no. I simply pointed out that your claim of governments having "...monopoly on the right to kill, steal and imprison and impoverish" is absurd.

If you would like me to take a position on this, i'd point out that "the governments" may be good for some (things/people) and bad for others. The word "good" needs context, or at least a subject to be meaningful.
(Is killing "good"? A meaningless question. It's good for the killer, ideal when there's killing to be done. For the victim, not so much.)

OK, I'll bite. Maybe today is the day you teach me something. Who besides the governments have these rights? Or is it that governments don't have them?
You have heard of Max Weber, yes?

You have a curious way of misunderstanding things. Possibly due to getting wasted on your own Kool-Aid. Not sure how much good my teaching would do in your condition, but i suppose it doesn't hurt to try, so here goes:

No one has the right to kill*, steal** or impoverish***, including the government. That's where your logic begins to stray.

Let's take killing.
By killing, i assume you don't mean poisoning rats or slaughtering cows, but rather unjustly murdering human beings. Why "unjustly"? Simply because, under many circumstances, in my beloved land of the free, *you* have the right to murder people. You know this, and own guns designed specifically for that purpose. You have bragged about it on this forum. So i'm surprised you would ask me now who else has the right to kill. *You do.

If my goal was to simply win an argument, the above would be enough. But my goal is to educate and enlighten, so i will address your other claims.

Stealing.
Let's google us up a definition:
"Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."
By "stealing," i assume you are referring to taxation, a subject addressed by a large body of law & to which your government has explicit legal rights. And which you have explicit legal duty to pay. **Taxation is not theft, it is your government's legal right and your legal duty.

Impoverishment.
Your government wants to impoverish you as much as a cattle rancher wants his cattle to get skinny & sickly -- not at all.
Just like the rancher, you government wants you to be fat, happy and healthy. It wants you to be fruitful and multiply, giving it moar willing milkers to milk and plump beefs to slaughter. If you become impoverished, the whole subject of taxation becomes moot -- collecting taxes on nothing is a fool's errand. ***Your government loves and protects you silly bovines.

The Government is your shepherd; you shall not want.
I make thee to lie down in green pastures:
I leade thee beside the still waters of Money River.
I restore thine credit rating:
I leade thee in the paths of sound business practices for fair taxation's sake.
Yea, though thee walketh through the valley of scammy BTC-denominated securities,
Thee shall fear no evil: for thou art with me;
My rod and my staff they comfort thee.

/lesson