Quote from: logicbomb666 on November 19, 2013, 01:40:19 PM

Quote from: steamboat on May 01, 2013, 10:58:42 PM

Pricing

Chips:
Avalon ASIC chips may be ordered for BTC0.086. This fee is due immediately upon order placement.
Assembly:
The total price for assembly is $95. This includes $35 for the PCB and board related components, and $60 for assembly, to be paid in BTC.
Assembly and DIY Kit:
The DIY kit and fully assembled PCB are $123.5, to be paid in BTC.
Fully Assembled Unit:
The fully assembled unit, including all necessary hardware, is $133.5, to be paid in BTC.
Hosting:
Hosting fees include 8% of miner revenue production, plus $.06kw/h for electricity used. A setup fee of $15 per unit is necessary to help defray the initial infrastructure costs.
Testing:
Free with the purchase of a fully assembled unit.

* Assembly, Assembly and DIY Kit, and Fully Assembled Unit prices do not include the price of Avalon ASIC chips, and are not due at the time of chip purchase.

Very first post of this thread- Notice how the pricing for everything except chips is listed as USD? That means you paid USD, and your return will be USD. Case fucking closed. If you cannot wrap you mind around this, you shouldn't have had any business in this group buy in the first place.

You will not be receiving the same amount of BTC sent to him. It's that plain and simple. Constantly bitching about it isnt going to change anything. If you paid $133.5 in BTC, you will be refunded no more than $133.5 in BTC.

That pricing chart has nothing to do with calculation on how much BTC we are to have returned once trading to him the definite amount of BTC;
it is a calculation guide only in which WE do the math for convenience:
A chart never listed this way, and instead in prices that continuously change in price of BTC for all of those services as its value goes up or down is exactly what his USD-BTC chart substitutes---a built-in calculator of which, this forum does not have such a web-based feature listing ever-changing prices for services by having them all listed in BTC.
The only other way without a built-in calculator would be to sit there himself, every minute of the day changing all the prices for these $services every time BTC went up or down, which he clearly would rather not do and therefore, for convenience sake he made us the position of calculator for how much BTC to trade him by looking at his chart; which professionally we were never even supposed to look at.
After that, the amount of BTC we have returned is the same amount that we traded to him.

EXAMPLE:
After looking at a calculation chart,
Lets call "10,000 BTC" an object/commodity that you trade;
We trade this object for a service that is done right in front of us within a couple of seconds.
Within these few seconds the service experiences a failure and consequently BTC market-value increases in those seconds,
Upon return, your object is now "3.05 BTC".
This is THEFT, regardless of time---whether it is seconds such as in this example, or hours, days, weeks, or even months such as in our case example with Steamboat; it is theft.
The amount of BTC we are to be returned is the amount that we traded; 10,000 BTC traded for service = 10,000 BTC returned for failure.

Quote from: driksson on November 19, 2013, 01:49:57 PM

Sad but true! Same thing actually happends between RMB, USD, EURO on import and exports DAILY.. You dont ask your supplier to cover your currrency exchange loss?

There is a 10euro service.
You pay thru paypal with 13.51usd.
Paypal experiences an error. Returns your payment.
During this error, euro plummets.
Your return thru paypal is 3.72usd.

Proof of the instant invoice that Paypal provides in the beginning, they will be sued for neglecting return.

Quote from: eroxors on November 19, 2013, 03:38:22 PM

[...]expecting BTC back in the amount you sent is a pipe dream.

This is absurd, and unlawful because BTC must and can only be legally returned in the amount that you traded.

Read:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.msg3609546#msg3609546

Quote from: eroxors on November 19, 2013, 04:55:23 PM

[...]
Bitpay does this by default (converting BTC to USD) and I'm fairly certain they don't do both (%BTC and %USD) as that would be a nightmare to facilitate. SB expressed that he needed the USD to pay for multiple parts of the process, so unless he fronted tens of thousands of $USD for the purpose of holding on to BTC, our BTC was converted to $USD at the time of checkout on the assembly site.

You still are to be returned exactly what you traded. It does not matter When, or Whether it was even converted thru bitpay, because:
Post #3 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.msg3609546#msg3609546