Quote from: CoinCube on May 06, 2018, 05:52:41 AM

Quote from: TooQik on May 06, 2018, 01:36:49 AM

I'm sorry, but I don't agree that all humans follow a faith based belief system. This is merely an extension of your belief that to be alive is to be religious. My personal beliefs are based on an evidence based system.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic.

All evidence based belief systems require basic fundamental assumptions that these systems rest on.

These assumptions are assumed a priori to be true and cannot be proven.

To assume something is true and derive conclusions from that assumption that you also define as true is to accept that assumption as true without proof. This is the definition of faith.

From your statement I assume that you define things as true only if they can be verified by the scientific method. The scientific method is a wonderful thing but it also rests upon unprovable assumptions.

Its discoveries are not objective truth but conditional truth and dependent on it's a priori assumptions.

I highlighted some of these assumptions in a recent post.

Quote from: CoinCube on February 26, 2018, 06:53:21 PM

Metaphysical Foundation of Science:

✧ The external world is real and knowable.
✧ Nature itself is not divine. It is an object worthy of study, not worship.
✧ The universe is orderly. There is uniformity in nature that allows us to observe past phenomena and to understand and predict future occurrences.
✧ Our minds and senses are capable of accurately observing and understanding the world.

These assumed truths are so deeply ingrained in us now we have difficulty even recognizing them as assumptions but they are necessary for science to exist.

If you don't believe the assumptions science becomes impossible for you. The progress and maintenance of scientific achievement requires that these assumptions be accepted and propagated at least by an educated elite.

The same situation applies to the apriori Truth of God which rests at the foundation of western culture. Undermine the assumption and the whole society starts to wobble.

This is what Nietzsche foresaw when he announced "God is dead" in 1882. Nietzsche predicted drastic consequences as a result. He predicted millions would die in the 20th century in wars of extremist ideologies. Peterson describes these ideologies as parasites that act on a damaged religious substructure.

Nietzsche also predicted that it would not be until the 21st century that we would be forced to acknowledge the crisis of nihilism. These predictions given in 1882 are an intellectual tour de force.

Believing blindly without contemplation still works for some but that blanket of protection is gradually being pulled away. Going forward it will increasingly be necessary to fully define oneself down to your core metaphysical truths. Unless you can look into the abyss of nihilism and reject it with certainty the abyss will sooner or later pull you in.

Still better than believing in non sense. ''Nature itself is not divine. It is an object worthy of study, not worship.'' What does that even mean?

''Our minds and senses are capable of accurately observing and understanding the world'' That one is not impossible to prove, in fact we know that our senses are not capable of accurately observing the world in many instances just like we know our minds do not work correctly sometimes, we call them mentally ill. Science studies these things, these are not just assumptions.

''The external world is real and knowable.'' This one is basically an absolute assumption otherwise what's the point of doing anything?

''The universe is orderly. There is uniformity in nature that allows us to observe past phenomena and to understand and predict future occurrences.'' As long as it works, though.