Quote from: BarkinTree on November 21, 2013, 08:29:02 PM

Quote from: notme on November 21, 2013, 07:42:53 PM

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Quote from: notme on November 21, 2013, 07:18:26 PM

Quote from: BarkinTree on November 21, 2013, 07:09:23 PM

what does socialism/entitlement have to do with arrogance? do you have the experience to believe what you say, or do you just make generalizations based on some right libertarian perspective of political system?

u.s. = fuck the poor, dick ride corporations. and u.s. has some of most arrogant people in the world, no question. so what does socialist context have to do with it?

How is feeling entitled to receive a handout not arrogance?

a handout? talk to me when corporations destroy your homeland, make your air unbreathable, destroy your rain forests and kill off your wildlife, all the while paying workers less and less and less? one of the reasons education systems continue to crumble is due to widespread corporate tax avoidance. they take and take and destroy our cultures bit by bit, and it's handout when we say things must change, else they must pay for the privilege? the game was rigged from the start -- fuck a handout. that term is inappropriate when the game was rigged against the poor.

having an opinion that may differ from yours regarding the limits of human dignity and of theft/exploitation, does not make a person arrogant. it is a difference of opinion. arrogance has to due with perception of one's own importance. if one favors equality, to whatever extent, that indicates the polar opposite -- that the importance of others equals their own. in other words, you are very much misusing the word.

Don't lecture me about corporations. Buy the way, they are just getting started. I live in the US. They have stripped us bare already, but nobody around me gives a shit because they are too busy chasing a dream they will never reach but were told everyone could have.

How about the Venezuelan president forcing electronics and appliance sellers to take losses on all their merchandise recently? That is fucking theft too. Two wrongs don't make a right. This is not the first rodeo for the corporations. You are repeating the mistakes of the people of the United States, and you will wind up just like us unless you just shrug off the system and work on building something new. Thinking you are important enough that stealing is okay is why I speak of arrogance.

corporations have not stripped u.s. bare, not nearly like elsewhere in the world. if you believe that, then i understand why you hold these opinions -- being from the u.s., whose corporations and government have bled the rest of the world far, far, far more than you and yours. more than you can probably imagine, from the sound of it.

i do not support statism. but i don't cater to this "two wrongs don't make a right" bullshit either. when people have been stolen from for years and generations, i do not judge them for trying to take a piece back. i find that right libertarians say to me, "sure, we agree, fuck the state. but everything that was taken from you as a result? it's for the rich now (who profited from the state), now go pull yourself up by the bootstraps." fuck that. are Palestinians arrogant for protesting the repeated theft of their land? once Israeli settlers take to such land, it becomes theirs, in their eyes. Palestinians are arrogant for feeling entitled to what was stolen from them? i imagine you say yes.

thinking that the whole of humanity is important enough that we rise up against the few that oppress us, again, is not arrogant in the least. even right libertarians would support such a notion, i would think. arrogance is about self-importance, self-entitlement. socialism has never been about that, except maybe for people in the u.s listening to repulicans. i imagine the people who want "government handouts" in the u.s. don't even know what socialism entails. they are just poor.

the "arrogance" of people in the u.s. has absolutely nothing to do with this. when people complain about people from the u.s., it is generally because they hardly recognize the rest of the world exists, and think they are superior to everyone else. this is very far removed from what you are suggesting about the "arrogance" of others. again, i think you are misusing the word. an inflated sense of self-importance has nothing to do with one's political philosophies -- political philosophies are not based in analyses of self. i've met many arrogant anarchists. i've met many arrogant capitalists.

Fine, you're arrogant because you can't stop talking about how much better you are than US citizens Tongue

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You don't know shit about what has happened to our populace and our land. Corporations and wealthy individuals own everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States

BTW, I don't buy the whole capitalist-socialist dichotomy. Everything is shades of gray, and it is the extremes you have to watch out for.

You seem to want to restrict the term arrogance to what is probably better termed "US exceptionalism". Yes, this is a form of arrogance, but arrogance can take many forms.