Quote from: ErisDiscordia on November 22, 2013, 10:06:06 AM

Quote from: Hawker on November 21, 2013, 11:24:56 PM

I'm intrigued.

Good!

Quote from: Hawker on November 21, 2013, 11:24:56 PM

First, female genital mutilation is done by mothers to daughters. Are you seriously saying you are going to break into Muslim homes and inspect vaginas? And based on what you find start "mutilating bastards?"

Personally, no - I'm actually a pacifist. I would break into Muslim homes and try talking to them reasonably, haha. Anyway, what is your alternative? Let government agents break into Muslim homes and inspect vaginas? Like I said before: if you don't like something in your environment or culture, you - yes YOU - that tiny, powerless, inconsequential existence, which needs to be protected and guided by authority (or so they say) are responsible for doing that. If you delegate this responsibility to some sort of higher power (God, government, etc) you have no business making moral judgements about - that's how I see it.

Quote from: Hawker on November 21, 2013, 11:24:56 PM

Second, what is the basis for your "trust people?" You think fgm and bride burning are carried out by robots? These are done by people.

It's my choice to trust people. I find it makes for a more friendly, exciting and optimistic reality-tunnel than choosing to view people as crooked. Both are valid views, though and I'm not sure it's possible to definitely prove one or the other, so I'll just make my choice and take it with all that it brings. But notice, my position has consistent logic. I trust people to be generally good (with the limiting factor here being their cultural environment, which might turn any of us into sociopaths) and thus they don't need to be ruled over by an authority by force.

Your stance on the other hand, seems to be that people are NOT to be trusted by default and that is why they need to be ruled by force. By other people. Who are also not to be trusted.

Do you see the flaw in that?

If you are really convinced that people are crooked by nature, you should be supporting anarchy as this limits the amount of damage they can do collectively thanks to withholding the possibility of acquiring huge centralized power.

I think what you are doing is ignoring human reality in pursuit of a dream species. People are not trustworthy by default.

Right now its a legal requirement for schools and doctors to report female genital mutilation or signs of it like girls being prevented from having sports lessons or medical examinations. So the government does inspect vaginas and it does prosecute anyone who does it. Quite rightly too.

The anarchist position does not make sense. If you believe it is immoral to cut a girl's clitoris off, then wittering on about "Her dad has his own protection force and they are OK with it" is bullshit. Either you enforce the moral standard or you support the damage done to the victim.