Quote from: Biffa on December 02, 2013, 10:44:23 PM

Quote from: aerobatic on December 02, 2013, 10:34:26 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 02, 2013, 10:04:01 PM

Quote from: aerobatic on December 02, 2013, 09:54:24 PM

i think you're getting confused. its a different asic company that has a mid-december fantasy... cointerra's fantasy is late december..!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mid-december+cointerra

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http://www.wireservice.co/2013/09/cointerra-demonstrates-working-fpga-releases-additional-asic-chip-details/

Scheduled to ship the first mining rigs in mid-December, CoinTerra®‎ showed that their project is on target by announcing tapeout scheduled for the first week of October and chip delivery by early December. The video notes that significant payments were made to Global Foundries to secure these dates.

Next time you indulge the lazy temptation to assume I'm confused, first check your own facts. Wink

They sold systems with a 'december 2013' deadline - they never supplied a date, and it is usual to expect the end of the month when given a month - so we naturally assumed late december (it'd be foolish to assume anything else). They also promised to compensate customers if they're more than 30 days late (i.e. jan 31st is the true deadline), in a similar way to hashfast who sold their systems with an october 2013 delivery date, and offered compensation/refund if they're 60 days late. hashfast are now well past 30 days into their 60 day buffer and have to deliver by end of this month or face angry villagers with pitchforks and torches. And with thanksgiving, xmas, and new years holidays in the middle, its a pretty difficult time to get everyone working at full steam. Cointerra may well need to use their buffer too.. but so far, even recently, they said they're not planning to be late. we shall see. time will of course, tell!

meanwhile, both hashfast AND cointerra suffered their delays in the hands of their contractors. i really don't see how you can come on here bitching that cointerra has somehow employed incompetent contractors when the very same kinds of contractors are directly responsible for delaying hashfast's silicon - and who do you think is responsible for the delays with hashfast's substrates!? And who do you think is responsible for cointerra's tape-out delays!? In both cases its the back-end contractors (open silicon in cointerra's case and uniquify in hashfast's case). Both hashfast and cointerra designed their rtl themselves and then handed it over to their back-end partners for layout, physical design, tapeout, substrate design, liaising with the fabs, expediting orders etc. in both of their cases, the delays were unexpected and beyond their control and though neither of them will say it because they won't trash the people they work with... both of their delays were most likely attributable to their contractors... and yet again, KnC, who also used similar back-end contractors (in their case Alchip)... did a great job on their physical design, AND their substrates and executed flawlessly to deliver them working first time silicon in less than 60 days from tape-out to shipping systems. It CAN be done. We of course hope that cointerra doesn't suffer the same delays and have to hope that open silicon, for instance, has designed good substrates for them.

hashfast taped out in late august, cointerra taped out in early nov and so hf should be more than two months ahead, but unfortunately, they were badly let down by their contractors and they've more or less lost most of that 10 week advantage that they should've had and i suspect theyre at best 3-4 weeks ahead. its likely both companies will show working silicon in december... hashfast in early dec (presumably in mere days from now since they've shown a pic showing they've got substrates back).. and cointerra in late december (fingers crossed). As i always say... we shall see! The difference isn't really who ships first.. since clearly, hashfast are supposed to ship first and charged a lot more for their gigahashes than cointerra did. cointerra priced theirs according to their ship dates, and if they end up shipping closer together than first expected, then the hashfast customers may well feel they overpaid compared to the cointerra customers. lets take a poll of both company's customers after they both ship and see what people think. on the other hand, since btc to the usd is going so well, maybe everyone will just be happy they both ship at all!

Come off it aerobatic you are being way to even handed and calm about this, are you sure you don't want to throw something at someone?

Oh +1 btw..

Thankyou for noticing i am trying to be even handed! i really DO try.