Quote from: CoinCube on May 21, 2018, 05:52:54 PM

Quote from: Astargath on May 21, 2018, 02:13:14 PM

If you agree the bible is wrong, why do you still believe in a god or the bible?

I don't agree that the Bible is wrong. Many of the rules listed in Exodus for example seem dated. Not many people own oxen for example. However, almost any legal code becomes dated in its specifics. The issue is the values and teaching we can derive from the law. The depth reveals itself on deeper reflection

Things that at first appear irrelevant, primitive, or even immoral turn out to be important and often great moral leaps forward. -Dennis Prager - The Rational Bible--Exodus

Quote from: Astargath on May 21, 2018, 02:13:14 PM

Being infertile is not a sin, engaging in sex when you are is. See how that works, it doesn't."

Being infertile is not a sin, deliberately making yourself infertal via castration or chemical sterilization because it makes you happy is.

Severe depression is not a sin. Committing suicide because you are depressed is.

Pathological dislike of your weight is not a sin. Starving yourself with aneorexia is.

Now do you see how that works?

Quote from: Astargath on May 21, 2018, 02:13:14 PM

Again, why would you have to cure it? I personally don't want children, does that make me a sinner too? Should I also get ''cured'' because I don't want kids? Your logic is absolutely garbage here.

Unless you have a very good reason for choosing extinction over life such as being the carrier of a horrible and untreatable genetic disease then yes your behavior is irrational and not compatible with sustained existence. You should seek to explore the beliefs led you to embrace death over life and change them.

Quote from: Astargath on May 21, 2018, 02:13:14 PM

Homosexuality is not a sin, is not morally wrong and doesn't hurt anyone directly, the bible is wrong, god is not real, stop believing fairy tails.

Yes this seems to be the progression of your thought process. First a small error in denial of the reality of a single sin with subsequent extrapolation to ever larger errors until you end up arguing that your genetic death is a great thing because it makes you happy.

Sin is a bad idea or harmful deed something that leads to undesirable things happening to you. At a deeper level sin is not just a harmful deed, but a harmful deed that disrupts ones "life" with life defined as synonymous with ones connection to God. Sin is a disruption of this connection and thus sin is death. Sin is also folly for it is ultimately irrational to consciously choose self harm and death over life and self preservation. Finally sin is an opportunity to recognize our failings and understand the negative consequences of harmful deeds. Thus sin is also an opportunity to redeem ourselves by refining our nature and rejecting the sin.

Acting on male homosexual desires meets all of the criteria of sin. Thus it is sin. There are lots of sins. Homosexuality does not even make the top 10. It's minor league sin.

''However, almost any legal code becomes dated in its specifics.'' How can you even use this as an argument to defend the bible when the bible is supposed to be divinely inspired, I expect the book to never become dated, otherwise what's the fucking point of the bible? If the bible is the only evidence god left, then he is a fucking idiot.

''The issue is the values and teaching we can derive from the law'' And what values did we learn here? The bible says, ''kill homosexuals'' what's the value learned here? That the bible is wrong?

''Now do you see how that works?'' No I don't. You said acting on your homosexuality is a sin but the analogy should be ''choosing to be homosexual is a sin'' No one chooses his sexual preferences on purpose. I didn't choose to like women, I didn't choose to like them slim, etc etc

''Unless you have a very good reason for choosing extinction over life such as being the carrier of a horrible and untreatable genetic disease then yes your behavior is irrational'' Says who, you? ''You should seek to explore the beliefs led you to embrace death over life and change them. '' I'm not trying to kill myself, I just don't want or need children and there is no argument on why that's wrong. It is certainly not morally wrong, in fact, you could argue that having kids is morally wrong, you are basically creating them just so they die later on and the possibility of having a very miserable life is also there.

''Acting on male homosexual desires meets all of the criteria of sin'' Is it? ''Sin is a bad idea or harmful deed something that leads to undesirable things happening to you. At a deeper level sin is not just a harmful deed, but a harmful deed that disrupts ones "life" with life defined as synonymous with ones connection to God.'' Having sex as a men with other men is not a harmful deed, though. There are plenty of homosexuals who believe in god as well, so it does not destroy the connection to god thus homosexuality is not a sin, you failed again.