Quote from: malvino on December 10, 2013, 08:58:09 AM

Quote from: malvino on December 05, 2013, 09:29:24 AM

Waldo, now I'm very serious about that.

Show me your arguments on the paper and looking at your own terms why you don't have to refund us Don't say "Hashfast will refund us on 2014" because that's not specified in your terms. Read them and explain me why I'm wrong.

I didn't find any, and yes, your fault was not include the date of the refund, as you made in your new share sell (why did you change the terms?). But that's not our problem and we bought a share of a machine that would be shipped on november and if not we'll get a refund. Be honest and refund us, you know we are right.

Waldo, the one who's bored with your answers it's me. I ask you once again and all the people is defending you to tell me where in your terms is written that the refund will be on December 31st. If you show me that I'll shut up. If you write some terms you must fulfill them, that's the way contracts are made.

I almost hate bringing this part of the thread back to life again, but after reading so many comments asking for a refund and nitpicking over the wording of the offer, I just cannot help myself.

When waldohoover posted the offer, the terms were pretty clear. He collects BTC from each person who wants to participate, he uses that BTC to purchase a miner, he then runs the miner for as long as there is a profit (or max 30 months), he then divides any BTC mined per share to each person. He also said he takes no responsibility of HashFast does not deliver. That statement is in no uncertain terms. He has absolutely no control over HashFast.

There is a statement that refunds will be delivered in the event of a non-delivery. However, "non-delivery" could be interpreted to mean "delivery by the date the manufacturer stated" or it can be interpreted to mean "it is never delivered". In any case, while even I cannot state in certain terms what qualifies as non-delivery, logic would suggest that there was a shipment guarantee date. HashFast definitely does that. What folks have said was the guarantee date was December 31. If it was sooner than that, then waldohoover would likely have already asked HashFast for a refund (after polling the shareholders). He certainly has nothing personally to gain by sitting on his hands. Logic would therefore suggest he cannot yet request a refund.

In any case, I think it's really poor form to pick over every word in the offer. You're not dealing with a large corporation here with a team of lawyers who drew up a formal purchase contract. It's a group of individuals informally going in together to have a go with a miner and, I think it's worth noting, purchasing only a "share" of a miner that might otherwise be too expensive for a person to buy and operate.

Frankly, I have to tip my hat to waldohoover for going through all the effort to set up a place to run the miners and do all the work. He had to put a certain amount of money on the table just to provide a place to make this possible. That's money he is out of pocket.

So, please be respectful to the man and be patient. He'll either have a miner working before long or you'll get a refund.