Quote from: cdog on December 07, 2013, 12:52:11 AM

Quote from: FlappySocks on December 05, 2013, 09:16:04 PM

Quote from: vesperwillow on December 05, 2013, 09:09:30 PM

Anyone who has done wire transfers and other types of payment over the pond... knows the pain it can be. Sometimes a bank visit.. always a fee.. takes several days.

Try https://transferwise.com next time.

Im shocked people are endorsing these 3rd party payment systems WHEN WE HAVE BITCOIN. Just buy some BTC and send it, fast, no fee.

You are?

Because If I pay with my VISA and they don't ship. I can't get my money back. And they are scared of this and it drive's them to provide...

If I send Bitcoins along with everyone else. we have NO way to them back. And they know that, so if they are late, why do they give a damn? they already have our money. We can bitch and complain all we want. They have our money.

Not only is it a security thing. It pressure's them to be open. If they are going to be late and they are scared of claw backs they will be open with us, tell us. post up.

Again with BTc why would they?

If they are big enough that the pre-orders are just pre-orders and they can front the assembly them selves. use an escrow..