Quote from: pierrejo on December 06, 2013, 01:15:23 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on December 05, 2013, 11:08:36 PM

...it is factually inaccurate.

As of this point in time knc asics are more efficient electricity wise than asicminer but not more cost effective in terms of ROI. Both knc jupiter and asicminer cube have a ROI of about the same.

please explain using numbers instead of "claiming" facts. I'm going to go with you have no clue what you're talking about.
In "fact", I'm even going to help you with the type of things you should point to:

KnC Jupiter starting mining in December: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/b0792b35ea -> returns 2.4X investment
ASICminer Cube starting mining in December: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/931f591bb7 -> returns 1.3X investment
(for comparison's sake) CoinTerra T. IV starting mining in March: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/a02256b23a -> Returns 1.6X investment

There are no ASICminer cubes or KnC Jupiters available for sale out of ebay or preorder (which would never return full investment). The T. IV preorder for March is still open (1st batch is due for jan).
Also - Cubes went on sale mid november and sold out immediately: Had you purchased Cubes then you might have made 2X investment. But the Jupiter arrived around then too.

Quote from: jimmothy on December 05, 2013, 11:20:54 PM

As far as I know cointerra does not even have a working asic so it is pointless to compare specs.

Not good enough intel.

Quote from: jimmothy on December 05, 2013, 11:20:54 PM

I think you are assuming FC is an idiot which is not the case. He said in an interview he thinks the total nrtwork hashrate will achieve 1000ph during 2014 and he will be prepared for it. Even providing several hundred ph in his own words.

Please provide source.

Quote from: jimmothy on December 05, 2013, 11:20:54 PM

I am 99% sure that is bs.

Not good enough.

Quote from: jimmothy on December 05, 2013, 11:20:54 PM

Either way the next step for asicminer is switching to gen3 chips. We will probably see a hashrate increase of around ten times the current rate. Maybe more considering each rack I the immersion cooled datacenter was not filled in the last pictures.
Or we can pretend FC is going to go sit in a corner while knc and competitors finally are able to deliver their next gen products..

Please admit you have no idea what you are talking about and are pulling those numbers from a dark, dark place.

At 1btc per cube, it is only about half as profitable but if you could pick one up for ~$800 (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18635057299) it comes in very close to KNC.

Is cointerra actually hashing? I haven't seen an official statement and would love it if you provided the link.

Also I know KNC is "holding back" orders to give their customers a better return but are any competitors doing the same?

Also for the source of the interview which is reposted weekly:

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http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjI1OTIxMTc2.html

One of our group members in Chinese community had an interview with Friedcat today. Above is the brief introduction of what Friedcat has done and planned to be accomplished in the next months.
To be short:
1. 1000T would be released around Nov 7th. These chips may be sold or deployed, depending on the situation then.
2. 2nd Gen chips have already been developed long time ago. But they were delayed to deploy considering the unsatisfactory performance.
3. 3rd Gen chips were also under development during that period. It is already developed now but still under test. It is expected to become a mature product in Feb 2014, which means its key indicators would be much better than those of its competitors. It is estimated that the network hashing power would be 1000p by 2014, while Friedcat would deliver several hundred of it.