Quote from: jtimon on July 21, 2011, 11:10:00 PM

Quote from: Rassah on July 21, 2011, 09:12:05 PM

Quote from: jtimon on July 21, 2011, 08:11:58 PM

Money can take the basic interest from the wares. If the wares don't pay the interest, they aren't sold. And the wares lower its price until they're sold, that's their nature.

I'm stuck in the mindset that if wares don't cover fixed and variable costs (costs of producing the wares), they aren't sold.

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Quote from: Rassah on July 21, 2011, 09:12:05 PM

If they do, they are sold even if profit is $0,

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Quote from: Rassah on July 21, 2011, 09:12:05 PM

simply because wares produce a benefit by their existence/use value. Interest doesn't come into this at all...

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Quote from: Rassah on July 21, 2011, 09:12:05 PM

Quote from: jtimon on July 21, 2011, 08:11:58 PM

The supply of money is scarce (or that money concrete money dies by hyperinflation) and no sector has produced it (forget our current regulated financial system): the whole community has given it the value.
Money takes profit because its scarce and it (unlike wares and the time of workers) last forever at no cost.

So, essentially, a representation of a good or a representation of someone's time/work can be stored in a medium that lasts for ever at no cost. I think I'm getting this part, but where is the profit coming from? The difference between the retained value of money, and the decreased value of the expiring good it used to represent?

Yes, but not only that, even if the wares don't expire they are something that the producer doesn't want. They must find their way to the customer and they have to pay the "highway" tax.
The selling price must include the production costs, the proportional wage of the merchant and the tribute to money for letting all this happen. If the game stops, money is the only one immune, so it can exact a profit from its privilege.

Before we get to solutions...
What is this highway tax? Is it the cost of transporting goods, the cost to recoup storing goods, or the cost of the price going down to get rid of the goods because they are taking up space? The only way I know of that a producer can "push" products out is by lowering the price until it is both, lower than the competitor's price, and lower than the costumer's "utility" price (I won't pay for something if I don't need it). I still don't understand what serviceexactly this tribute is paying for?