Quote from: BADecker on May 28, 2018, 10:05:22 PM

Quote from: Astargath on May 28, 2018, 09:46:30 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 28, 2018, 09:43:39 PM

There you go, doing the exact thing that you claim I am doing.

Cause and effect is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law, if nothing else. That isn't me. It is standard science.

Entropy is standard science and is visible everywhere.

Complexity is standard science and is visible everywhere.

I can't help it you are too biased against science to understand that these 3 things could not exist in a universe without God.

Now, don't misunderstand. The God of the universe is not being described by science very much. Perhaps even the word "God" is an improper word to use. If you feel that way, use other terms, like "Almighty, Divine Intelligence." or "The great First Cause," or "The Father of All," or any other words that describe God more accurately. But don't go on ignoring standard science which is all around you.

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''these 3 things could not exist in a universe without God.'' You are saying those 3 things exist and they do but you are not proving how they all together prove god. How do you know they can't exist without a god?

They prove God in the way they exist, scientifically.

You can't have cause and effect, with complexity as it is, without a beginning as shown by entropy, all without God. The science of these three things prove it.

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No, ''The science of these three things prove it.'' The science of those things prove they exist, science has never said those 3 things combined prove god.

''all without God'' How do you know, what's the evidence?