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It is completely normal as flypool increased the difficulty for everyone in order to reduce the number of connections to their servers but the payout is not affected.

You can look at that on flypool website, click on payout and read the twits over there. It is explained

My minimum payout time increased from 30-31 hours to 41 hours, so its not exactly "completely normal"

If you mine in flypool that is what happened. My console reports the same low share, you can see my post on page 63 I believe but my payout time is exactly the same. It hasnt changed.

If you mine in nanopool might be a different issue but the miner itself is the same and hasnt changed

Yes, I mine in flypool, OK I will check for two days from now, Thanks for help!

The Payout is "NOT" the same and anyone saying so is a damn fool, and that's wrong to do as noobs will no doubt think things are the same, it's taking me much longer for payouts after going from difficulty of 1.95 to 11.7 and now that asics are on zec we'll no doubt encounter much more problems until we find another coin to goto that doesnt screw over GPU miners, the miner itself has no issues atm unless you have driver problems which *nix is going to be full of, no the miner hasnt upped anyones difficulty flypool has and it'll get much worse, would be nice to have a coin that is anti asic that doesnt screw us lil gpu miner guys over, but i guess that's a pipe dream at this rate, the fact is yes it will take longer to get a payout now as its added 20 hours on my payouts.

So for your 14 post I nearly forget you were the real expert in this subject... my payout is exactly the same it hasnt gone down and I have no need to lie about it. No need to be harsh though calling people noobs or fools when you are no better than anyone here or elsewhere.

So go an learn some manners then come back and try to post something helpful.

Learn something guy, I never said the payouts changed on Flypool, I did say however that it "will" take longer to get a payout, and that is a fact bud...It isnt my fault ya think ya know everything and were clueless on the biggest thing the zec name atm, the miner works great but on nix youll have lil issues due to things not being setup correctly (user error 90% of the time) If you cant be helpful then simply keep you're comments to yourself as every comment i've made was 100% factual and helpful. Grin

Read carefully your first 6 words... the payout is NOT the same...so read what you post before you post it.

And if you read in mi post I said my payout time is the same. I copy paste it for you:

If you mine in flypool that is what happened. My console reports the same low share, you can see my post on page 163 I believe but my payout time is exactly the same. It hasnt changed.

I dont know everything thats why I post and ask and I did on page 163, so do not come here to teach me lessons. Pay a bit more attention and read carefully.

I hate to interrupt a flame war like this - you guys need to learn respect for other people's opinions - yes I'm new here - been mining zcash since Oct 2017, 2x 1080Ti + 1 x 1070. I do not know it all like some of you think you do - but I've seen the EXACT same thing on flypool. Here's what I see wrong with flypool that hurts us little guys. Their recent increase of difficulty has created a situation where for a given block (2.5 - 5.0 minutes depending how fast flypool mines) YOU MAY NOT SUBMIT ANY SHARE AT ALL WITH ONE CARD. Try it - watch your log for cases where with just 1 card you don't get a single share with enough 0's to be valid before a new block is issued and you start over. For all that work (2.5 - 5.0 min on average) you ran your machine for no return because you couldn't make 1 share in the block time (2.5 - 5.0 min typical at flypool). My single card machine is a 1070 that won't get along with my dual 1080Ti machine - so it runs separately. It's not worth the power to run it on flypool.

Synopsis - Flypool is huge, mining the lion's share of ZEC with some REALLY BIG farms feeding them. Those guys submit shares every few seconds to flypool, which is why they don't see a big difference. In fact, flypool's decision reduces their stale share rate by dropping the network traffic into the flypool server. No block goes by that the big guys don't submit shares, but they may loose 1 share when a block is stale, and waste a very small amount of work at "the end" of a block where they don't submit the share being worked on but not yet found and a new block is issued, wasting at most 1-2 seconds of work if they send a share every 3 seconds. Remember, SOLS/s is what you pay for in power, but shares is what pays you - no mining pool pays for sols/sec. see caution below in solution. Now, with just ONE GPU (my 1070) on flypool, I submit maybe 1 share every 2 to 3 blocks now - sometimes as many as 5 blocks go by. I used to submit at least 1 + share per block on my 1070 card by itself. That means for blocks with zero shares submitted, I waste 1-5 minutes of time mining. This is all due to the fixed (high) difficulty of flypool.

The solution? For small guys like us with < 6 cards of 1070, 1080 size, flypool is no longer the pool of choice. I had payouts every 10-12 hours on flypool for months but now I'm wasting time there with my 1070 rig, so I'm moving to suprnova.cc who favors small gpu owners. With them, I can manually set difficulty "-p d=512" and on a single 1070 I submit multiple shares per block (though each share is worth less due to lower difficulty - suprnova devalues less dificult shares) which means when suprnova finally mines a block (every few hours unlike flypools every few minutes) I can get a realistic number of shares in that block and earn a decent payout every 1-2 blocks suprnova succeeds in mining.

What flypool has done is favor the big miners (6+ cards of 1080 equiv), and devalue the little guys. That's why there are more than just a single pool out there. I started with suprnova.cc on my 1 card rig, then went to flypool when I got my dual 1080ti rig, now I'm moving both rigs back to suprnova.cc. And, yes, I did notice the drop in payments even on my 2 x 1080Ti setup, which is what got me checking into things.

Note - as an aside, instead of flaming and disrespecting others - as miners, we really need to unite against the equihash asics. ZEC MUST come up with an asic-resistant algo that puts the power in the people's hands who have ONE (or more) GPUs. ASICS cost alot to build a mask, make wafers, process, test, and package - so I'd like nothing more than to make the equihash asic worthless overnight so as to discourage them from doing it again. ASICS **WILL** push the difficulty up so far that us GPU folks will power off our rigs. As ZEC miners, we support the "Team" who get those 2.5 ZEC per block to keep things working. They need to do their 0xEF'ing job, and revamp ZEC so a cave in China isn't the 51% ownership point of ZEC mining. I mean no disrespect to China, but I've worked in Shenzhen, Cupertino and Aguadia Puerto Rico, and I have seen first hand how China has a clear advantage, especially with ~free hydro power at their new 3 gorges dam. Now I'll step off my soapbox and let you flame me if you wish.

El Quimeco

Good post Quimeco and I totally agree. I was the first one asking for respect because there is no need to go against anyone in here.

Regarding payout times I can only talk about my experience and so I did. Sorry to hear yours isnt as good as others and you had to change pool. I am not sure whats going to happen with AISC but ZEC doesnt seem bothered about them right now and they seem more reactive than proactive so until ASIC are out we will not see any movement from them unfortunately.

I might be wrong but there are ASIC for ETH and it is still profitable to mine with GPU so hopefully nothing will change but a smaller payout for our hash power.