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If you mine bitcoins it is counted as income based on the value of the bitcoins at the time you mine them. Yes, it's a huge pain to keep those kinds of records, but it is the legal way to do it.

It should be "0" when you mine it. At least this is certainly the case with speculative altcoins. After that it should just be treated as a commodity with capital gain applications, where you're initial cost was "0" and anything after that is pure profit.

A tax lawyer may tell you that the cost will include all the costs of the mining equipment (depreciated on a schedule) the monthly electricity, rent, and support costs.
Some people lose money mining. You don't pay tax on a loss.

Agreed, it is income at the time of mining. I am not convinced that BTC mining is like creating artwork for several reasons. Artwork does not have active markets that can be used to determine price at the date of creation. While art involves assembling supplies previously owned by the artist, bitcoin mining involves a point in time when the miner has control over something they did not previously possess. And, perhaps most telling is the matching principle in accounting that income and related expenses should be recognized together. So I doubt that deducting electric and equipment expenses now, while deferring recognition of revenue will be considered to be consistent. Then there is IRC83 which requires that deferred compensation (such as stock and options) be recognized at the fair market value when title transfers to the taxpayer, not when the investment is sold. And IRC988 requires income to be recognized when foreign currency is received for goods or services.

Regarding depreciation, in general for federal taxes, most miner expenses get deducted immediately not depreciated, because the business sets a $2,500 capitalization threshold, expensing anything below this threshold, and then accelerating depreciation of expenses over $2,500 up to IRC179 limits (often $500K). For state taxes it is possible that some expenses may need to be capitalized and depreciated. Don't forget to deduct telecomm expenses, training, reasonable business travel and home office expenses.

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I'm impressed you got your certification but I'm puzzled by your position. I mean, most CPAs err on the side of caution so that might explain; and I mean no disrespect by that, it's not a bad thing. My problem with your position is that there is no "taxable event" happening. It's not currency, yet, and we honestly don't know if it ever really will be in the eyes of our Uncle Sam.

I mine with a pool, they pay me a balance in something that can be exchanged for money, but until/unless it is exchanged there is no taxable event to report. Even if someone gifts you a stock there is no taxable event until it is liquidated, and from there you retrieve the original cost basis to determine the realized gain/loss, or step it up to date of death if it's inherited, but the act of receiving is not reportable. If it's not exchanged there's no realized gain or loss. This whole darn thing could become a bad video game at some point, just a worthless "score" not exchangeable for anything. I don't see how you can advise anyone to report a mining payout, the methodology makes almost no sense.

Think about it, say you mine 40 BTC in January and they are worth $40k, but at year end they are worth $4, you expect people to report a $40k taxable event on something that became worthless within the same year? There's nothing to report until it is sold. Damn, this thread has gotten crazy, good luck to everyone hiring a lawyer for their audit defense. I guess we will all take a position and stick with it, pure intent rarely fails and you can always make a case if you had a sound approach. I'm keeping track of expenses, and if I sell BTC I will track that too, but there's no plan to report anything until I can verify a gain or loss. You could say I am treating BTC as a stock, and what I pay on equipment is like my commission fees that are deducted from proceeds; even in a great situation I'll breakeven and wash upon sale with no reportable gain (unless BTC goes to the moon, which in that case I will gladly pay my cap gains tax on the investment IF/WHEN I exchange for USD).