Quote from: Hueristic on June 05, 2018, 12:01:55 PM

Quote from: senseless on June 05, 2018, 12:20:21 AM

Quote from: vapourminer on June 04, 2018, 10:36:59 AM

Quote from: keyword on June 04, 2018, 02:58:59 AM

The last thing I want to do is see this come out and totally annihilate GPU mining. And that is exactly what it has the potential to do. Profitability for everything else will be completely destroyed and we'll be stuck fire selling everything we have in the hope we can get in line to acquire this hardware and software.

no, gpus will always have something to mine, as some algos will almost certainly be created with anti asic/fpga properties. wont stop fpga/asics but will make it much more expensive to develop.

OhGodaCompany has its ProgPOW plans that will leverage so much of a gpus capabilities (not just CUDA cores or whatever) that its just not worth emulating with fpga/asic, as to do it one would basically have to emulate an entire gpu to do it. easier just to use a real gpu.

of course it remains to be seen how that goes, but fpga/asic is not the end of pow on gpus. at least not yet.

ProgPow is a bit of marketing. The hardest part of it is still the memory bandwidth. Nothing really changes.

If you take a look at the paranoia in the monero community now..... Is that really what the coin devs want for their coins? All of their miners and holders to be in a constant state of paranoia about secret asics? Wouldn't even need an asic at that point to destroy a coin. Just a large GPU cluster causing diff spikes to make the community freak out.

I made an asic for monero that could survive their fork!! Kiss

I'm mining 100Kh/s Cheesy

-- That, plus a little bit of falsified evidence and the community would be frothing. Seems like it's almost more profitable to put the fud algo in an asic so it can be more power efficient. Poloniex has options now, right?

This is just a foolish statement, it's about curtailing future centralization such as what we see with bitcoin. Lose the hyperbole. We tend to play the long game and are not the fools in this scene that can be manipulated like your off the cuff suggestion. You might be able to catch some redditt fools on that but not here. This has been a ongoing discussion since day one and in no way shape or form came as a surprise, as a matter of fact I would bet it was staved off for years just do to the discussions about what our stated reaction would be.

BTW, I happen to know a few methods that would grind these babies to a crawl. I don't think Monero needs to worry about these they are not the same threat as a massive Asic dump. Your buy here is not going to put a dent in the emission.

Quote from: powerload79 on June 05, 2018, 11:10:45 AM

Quote from: Ginzink on June 05, 2018, 09:04:58 AM

Indeed! Where there is money there is a solution usually. It will take some time, but if orders for FPGA rise at prices the sellers make good money, production increase will follow.

That doesn't follow at all, hence the GPU shortages. Increasing manufacturing capacity costs money. Having that capacity unused also costs money. GPU manufacturers decided to not increase capacity because the risk of mining demand dropping is too great. FPGAs are no different, except starting from a lower base, a drop in demand and dumping on eBay would result in even greater losses later on for the manufacturers.

Correct and these are not being designed and manufactured in secret, they can just as easily be forked away. And anyone that thinks because just their array can change on the fly does not understand the basic restrictions inherent in the design.

1. The supply chains to build these things are not infinite, and some lead time components stretch 42 weeks or more now.

2. You can not fork away from whats coming in the FPGA world. There is exactly one piece - memory bandwidth - left, and it will be solved with in the year. It is already in the works.