Quote from: bitcoinermax on December 15, 2013, 03:51:39 AM

Aerobatic Firstly I should say that I respect your posts as they have generally been neutral and not biased for, or against, any of the ASIC suppliers / wannabe suppliers. I also think HF could be more open as to what has caused their delays. However to be fair, I am not sure if your pricing comparison below is correct as if the full MPP for HF is triggered (which i am sure is highly likely by now), then surely the correct price comparison for HF should be $2.80/GH for partial delivery in dec (assuming that deadline is met) and the rest of which depends on when the MPP is finally delivered? So unless my calculation is wrong, is their late delivery not also priced in?

its certainly harder to calculate the cost and value of the hashfast equipment with the MPP.

its a complicated offer to evaluate isn't it?

i mean, after a long period of time you get some of the pieces to make the rest of your miners, but not all the pieces, so no doubt they will happily sell you the systems with mounting screws, cooling systems, power supplies etc... for.. I'm guessing $500-1000 each, and you'll need 2 or more than them.. right?... on top of whatever free mpp gear they're going to give you.

the main thing is the delay. you won't get it til feb or march or later. right? by then, its worth a lot less to anyone.

you can't equate the cost, up front of buying mining gear if you get some in dec, and the rest in march. that doesn't average out at a $/gh number since they are separated by such a large time gap that the mining economics are very different in the two batch delivery timeframes.

sure, it brings down your cost of buying mining gear, but the mop gear arrives so late that it barely is helpful in making you break-even.

and instead of delivering to you something on time that will earn the btc you expected at a power cost that you expected, you will instead have to front a 5-10x power cost (running a lot more equipment for a lot longer) to yield the same btc.

in short, the mpp isn't a win win. its a token gesture with a lot of strings attached.

Wouldnt you rather have had double hash power on the day 1 delivery, then have 4 times the hash power, 3 months later ? 4 times th e hashpower is 4 times the running costs.