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Here we go again. The subject was well dissected and argued for, now we are back to square one. Anyway...

The intrinsic value of gold, which is the same as its value for direct use, we all agree on. But what is the intrinsic value? Nobody knows, gold has been money for thousands of years, so it is impossible to say. Gold is now at about 1200 USD per ounce. Could the intrinsic value be 100 USD? 1 USD? Can it be used to build aircrafts? No, too heavy. Can it be used to build ships or support the cement in buildings? No, to soft. Can it be used as an offer anode on a ship? No, too hostile to the ions, don't want to connect. It has some uses, but we do not know the value for direct use.

Umm, I think you should read my post again. I do agree that I started out with a misleading note.

I read it. There is confusion about what is intrinsic value, objective value (there is none) and subjective value, and about the value of a unit of money as opposed to the value of the system. A good money system like bitcoin is of unmeasurable value to society, but that is aside the point. Backing? There is nothing that needs or not needs backing. Either it is backed by something else, or it is not. Gold is unbacked, bitcoin is unbacked, the dollar was backed by gold once, but is now unbacked.

Just for clarification, are you claiming that I said that objective value exists or that BC needs backing? Because I get the impression you really didn't grasp my post even if you read it.

Objective value does not exist, all value is subjective and it comes from the minds of the individuals on the market.

Nothing needs backing. It either has, or has not. Bitcoin has no backing.

You didn't answer my question and your replies reveal that you only skimmed my post. But whatever. I'm on your side. I'll summarize.

TL;DR Bitcoin's security probably needs some work, but it (or another cryptocurrency) will eventually supplant gold and all other government currencies.

I won't speculate on what you claim other than what you wrote. If you think we talk past each other, try stating your opinion again, or ask me to clarify my view.