Quote from: jstefanop on June 11, 2018, 06:34:42 AM

Quote from: GPUHoarder on June 11, 2018, 06:05:27 AM

The focus here should be on the opportunity and what reasonably priced, high end FPGAs combined with the current crypto ecosystem can do for this community. Instead we have arguments over false statements and attacks on us personally because we do business differently (and perhaps more transparently?) than others here.

Yes, as long as you are completely transparent about it, especially when large orders of these placed by farms can have and have had the same effect as ASICs on the real GPU mining community. I dont see anyone mentioning anything about the fact that these will most certainly not come anywhere near the profitability you have been advertising once they start shipping.

Thats my one pet peeve of ASIC manufactures and projects like these...why are you telling newbs that have no idea what is going on what the profitability is on them on April 30th?? Or Bitmain releasing a new miner without at the very least saying how many units are in the first batch. People dont understand difficulty, and if you want to help out the community, that should be the main disclaimer at the top of the page for any new project that will add a very substantial hash-rate to current networks.

We have not advertised any profitability. We're saying, 14Kh/s cryptonightv1 (monerov7), 20Mh/s lyra2z. Draw your own conclusions as to future market conditions and if you think this is a good buy or not. We're also not using numbers from other devs.

We are selling 5000 units in this batch. There will be no more batches for the rest of 2018. Of the 5000 units, about 1500 have gone to small/medium farms, about 1000 have gone to the community. 2000 units have been reserved by a large farm. They will not be able to pay until friday and we're continuing to sell from their stock to the community until they are able to pay. We've already sold somewhere between 500-1000 depending on how many of these bank deposits actually pay for those units meant for that large farm. Everyone has until friday to place their order. On friday, the farm will get whatever remaining units are available. I realize there's a discrepancy of 500 units, those are warranty stock.

Quote from: deepWebRun on June 11, 2018, 06:48:26 AM

People seem to forget that this is essentially a group buy allowing the price reduction from ~$5k retail to ~$3.35k.
Now, sensless and GPUHoarder has gone the extra mile and *may* provide supporting platform for other developers to share their bitstreams. That does not mean you cannot use any other public bitstreams available (whitefire990) or program one yourself.
Again, it is essentially a group buy, at below retail price, I doubt these guys are making any significant profits on these, beyond the cost of all the time spent organizing it.

It's not a may, It's definitely happening.