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Anyone have an inside scoop of when KNC will possibly list Jupiters? It will be Christmas in 11 days, then New Year's so anything to do with shipping will be delayed or who knows what. Are they thinking of releasing maybe this week, the next? I'm probably positive someone must have called them to ask. And most likely wouldn't post that "secret" info here.

Given their stated reasoning for releasing another batch, I would expect them to wait until a competitor actually ships something.

HashFast has to be damn close by now. Right?

On the other hand, BitMain is shipping right now. They shipped 54TH/s out their door yesterday/today. My units are scheduled for delivery tomorrow.

True, but the MitMain units appear to be quite overpriced. They earn ~.1 BTC per day at current difficulty and cost 4.25 BTC, so good luck getting your investment back in BTC.

Also, BitMain hasn't reduced the price of their group buys as the difficulty keeps going up, so early buyers will probably earn ROI, but late buyers at 4.25 BTC will not.

Pricing aside, my point was just that competing makers are indeed adding hashpower to the network right now.

I'm quite sure when KNC refers to "competitors" they mean the other 28nm companies; HashFast, Cointerra, et al. Not some small-scale 55nm company. Otherwise they would consider Bitfury, BFL, ASICMiner and Avalon competitors and they are all currently shipping from stock with little or no waiting.