Quote from: Wilikon on December 17, 2013, 11:46:11 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 17, 2013, 11:29:51 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on December 17, 2013, 10:56:27 PM

One word: Hockey stick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc

Great video, I had not seen that for a while. That was when climate dogs jumped the shark.

I tried discussing climate on internet forums, generally re estimates of climate sensitivity were too high. That was my opinion based on reviews of basic raw data and analysis of it (background in numerical analysis, signal from noise, etc). Try to sell that to a believer in AGW, good luck. They are for the most part the rudest, blindest bunch of faith driven apostles you will ever run into.

Seems the latest IPCC report has proven me right. No big deal, I would just like to use this as an example of how the religion-style belief patterns has corrupted science.

By the way, in general, so called "AGW deniers" largely hold this view - that the sensitivity is overstated, not that it is zero. The very stereotyping of very intelligent and knowledgable people is indicative of the problem I cite above.

'Nuff said....

I was surprised to even see it still on youtube. Mr Mann asked youtube to bring it down, claiming his face was copyrighted and they did. This one must be a reload?
But this is not the first time the "good people" found a way to ban the opposite views, and not just because they were trolls, according to them.
http://climatecrocks.com/2009/08/19/youtube-reinstates-banned-climate-video/

Thinking over my post above, I believe it is fair to say that if the mis labeled category "climate deniers" were banned from a discussion, all decisions and results from that discussion would be wrong, and thus the implemented policy would be useless.

Except for the great opportunities for graft and corruption.

Yeah, you illustrate the problem of which I speak. Quoting from the link...

I published a piece that criticized and parodied the work of well known climate denier Anthony Watts

Now, going to the actual views that Anthony has, which are quite moderate.

"Now I'm in the camp of we have some global warming. No doubt about it, but it may not be as bad as we originally thought because there are other contributing factors." He further avers that what most bothers him about scientists and others who claim global warming is serious, is that, "They want to change policy. They want to apply taxes and these kinds of things may not be the actual solution for making a change to our society."

It would take some very ignorant people to ban Watts from a Reddit forum. But as he's been labeled a climate denier, obviously he is banned. I can show the same issue with other major "climate deniers". Their actual words and actual stated positions are not the MASSIVELY EVIL EXXON DRIVEN propaganda, quite the reverse.

The propaganda is all from the true believers. And they must be getting pretty frustrated, since the planet isn't cooperating with their forecasts of doom.