Quote from: Spendulus on December 18, 2013, 01:12:16 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on December 18, 2013, 03:54:25 AM

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I decided a long time ago to act in forum the way I talk in everyday's life. I would get abused but never abuse back or censor, and keep it cool.

I realized true believers never need a hammer to nail their ideas to others, never use force. Obvious is obvious. Complicated solutions or explanations last the length of some scientist's grant or their natural life then get forgotten by history.

Yeah. But what happens with theories, or pseudo theories or whatever AGW is, is that if false, they get burdened with more and more rationalizations and explanations until eventually they simply collapse of their own weight.

Politically the problem seems that there's big money in ascribing to airborne CO2 the attribute of evil, and thus instilling guilt in people from producing evil gaseous outputs, and then assessing punitive fines and taxes for this 'justifiable and urgent' crisis.

Basically it's an attempt of governments to assert ownership of the air envelope of the entire world.

10000% Agree. Everything you write is well known from the defenders of globalists wanting to force a universal tax while maintaining the poorest nation from developing their own resources. But this thread is a way to shine a light on how the first piece of the puzzle is placed. The article message was, again: "Look what we did! We should do the same everywhere beyond our website". That is what I am focusing on.

BUT for those who believes in Bitcoin & carbon taxing for the good of the planet, let me remind you of this:

http://www.carbonresource.com/news2.html
Carbon Resource Management has successfully registered the first carbon credits originating from a windfarm project in China at the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) and executed on the CCX trading platform.

https://www.theice.com/ccx.jhtml
Chicago Climate Exchange is North America's largest and longest running greenhouse gas emission reduction program. From 2003 through 2010 CCX operated as a comprehensive cap and trade program with an offsets component. In 2011 CCX launched the Chicago Climate Exchange Offsets Registry Program to register verified emission reductions based on a comprehensive set of established protocols

Scandal: Obama, Gore, Goldman, Joyce Foundation CCX partners to fleece USA
http://www.examiner.com/article/scandal-obama-gore-goldman-joyce-foundation-ccx-partners-to-fleece-usa

(I hate media matter) but I like the first comment.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/05/03/debunking-glenn-becks-cap-and-trade-conspiracy/164147

The thing is CCX was closed in 2010, but was projected to make trillions for all the people in charge. Obama was pushing hard for green energy because he was involved with the same people he said he was against, goldman, sach, etc, in Chicago.
Ask yourself this: if I am already ultra mega rich or a president, who will be hurt more from a new tax you cannot escape from no matter where you are? If this is a tax for the good of the planet how come you can still buy carbon taxes from other non polluters while you keep polluting?

The answer is: "Ban! Ban! Ban!"