Quote from: Spendulus on December 19, 2013, 12:19:48 AM

Quote from: AnonyMint on December 18, 2013, 10:52:56 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 18, 2013, 06:32:00 PM

Neither you or Anonymint has an arguable point. He would argue that the Religious Warmer's co2/lag argument is "this time it's different", which is not impossible but a recognized logical problem.

No I argued the irrefutable point that they have presented no falsifiable science, because they are just picking models out of their ass assuming some variables matter but not others, finding one of many possible statistical correlations, and declaring that to be cause & effect.

That is not science.
Maybe one day you will learn what science is.
Perhaps you might even learn what aliasing error and long-tail distributions are.
It is not my burden to prove them wrong, it is their burden to prove something using real science.

Agreed. But your "temperature lags co2 rise" argument is not terribly better is it?

And if it is an argument, then it is an argument against what, if there is no falsifiable science presented?

Agreed in principle, but not in relative culpability and sampling confidence interval.

Millions of years of ice core data showing that temperature rises then CO2 lags by up to 600 - 1000 years is a correlation. Whether temperature causes C02 to rise is not proven by that correlation. However, it certainly rules out that C02 rises have caused temperature to rise.

And there is a theory that makes a great amount of sense because it is probably the only possibility, which is that as temperature rises the oceans warm and then the oceans release the C02 in orders-of-magnitude more quantity than humans ever could.

And the temperature rises correlate with sunspot activity, so it is also quite reasonable to make the theory that the sun is what modulates temperature on Earth.

Duh! Without the sun, we'd be frozen.

That is not proof. But I don't need to prove anything. They are the ones (and I will exaggerate slightly to make the dramatic point of where socialism can lead to with eugenics, a la Hitler, fall of Rome, Stalin, China, etc) who want to tax the fuck out of breathing (we exhale C02), due to some non-proof.

The Carbon Cycle is life on earth. These lunatics want to tax and destroy life.

I wouldn't complain once we have anonymous cryptocurrencies if bounties are offered for their heads. They should be more careful about how this socialism is going to go down. They feel too safe. They are a cancer and a threat to the survival of the human species. Note I am not making any personal threat, nor am I inciting or advising any one to. Just trying to wake them up to the reality that their lunatic actions have a cost, and they better be more careful about banning the truth and running roughshod over the human species. Nature attacks back.