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If you can provide evidence for lack of design, I will surely understand it. Just claiming that things are not designed because they simply are not, is not an argument.

Cool

It's always like that for you, isn't it. Why should I provide evidence for things that are not designed? You are assuming that everything is designed for no reason, I'm not the one trying to prove god you are.

You shouldn't provide evidence for things not designed... for at least 2 reasons:
1. There aren't any, so you can't;
2. You should be spending all your time changing your heart to believe in God so that you can be saved.

All the things that mankind designs operate through the things of nature. Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs. Either mankind desing including the nature he uses, or no design, not even of mankind.

Why? Because in mankind design, he uses nature. It's design or it isn't, both mankind and nature, because they are essentially the same at their core.

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''Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs'' What are these arguments lmao, you are desperate. If things weren't designed mankind couldn't design anything? Why, how does that work lol. A computer or a spoon aren't designed copying nature. Stop with this stupid shit.

Some people use the phrase "connect the dots." You, it seems, can't even connect two dots. Let's try again, with the spoon you mentioned.

Somebody designs the spoon. He doesn't only design the idea of a spoon. He designs an actual spoon.

What is the spoon made out of? Atoms and molecules. They are part of the design. If they weren't, there would be no spoon or design.

Atoms and molecules are part of design. We can see it in the spoon.

Are these atoms or molecules and different than the atoms and molecules of the same type that are not in the spoon? No. They are all the same; they are all design.

The spoon is a silver spoon. It is made of silver. Silver is of design. The silver spoon designer has proven it by designing the spoon.

Cool

I don't think that you understand your own arguments. You are saying that because humans build stuff and because that stuff is made of molecules and atoms (like everything lol) means that they are designed? Worst argument and literally no logic.