Quote from: BADecker on June 20, 2018, 01:44:02 PM

Quote from: Astargath on June 20, 2018, 11:43:22 AM

I don't think that you understand your own arguments. You are saying that because humans build stuff and because that stuff is made of molecules and atoms (like everything lol) means that they are designed? Worst argument and literally no logic.

Actually, it strikes at the root of the question.

For example. If everybody knew for a fact that everything was designed by God, there would be no question. So the question has to do with the things that people know, not the fact of design or no design. However...

The general consensus among scientists (which is changing, btw) has been that there is only a material make-up in people. Science believes that their is no such thing as the soul and spirit, and that emotion is essentially an imaginary abstraction in the material/biological operation.

If this were the case, pure cause and effect would have to rule in everything. This would mean that opinions and/or scientific proof about the design question would have had to have been programmed in by Whoever/Whatever did the C&E programming. Why? Because we know of no complexity as great as opposed thinking like this that comes about by anything that seems random. Rather, randomness (standard random as opposed to pure random) leads to mediocrity. Prove it to yourself by flipping a coin a thousand times. The result will be nearly an equal number of heads flips as tails.

The whole idea of complexity as it exists, contradicts the mediocrity of standard random. And C&E in everything, without even a shred of evidence of pure random, has as its only result, a Programmer... in the face of the kind of complexity that exists. And a programmer shows that somewhere back in the beginning of the programming, there was the existence of Pure random, and such things as soul and spirit.

Cool

The problem is that you are trying to show why you think everything is designed, so far you haven't done that. Nothing indicates nature is designed, we know complexity can arise from simple rules.