Quote from: jinni on December 23, 2013, 11:29:36 PM

Quote from: taltamir on December 23, 2013, 10:10:32 PM

You are insisting that capitalism IS communism.

Precisely. I'm saying that todays so called capitalist societies are not really capitalist. I'm saying that we don't really have any good examples of free markets anywhere.

Yes, because the 'free market' is an oxymoron. Free humans are self-sufficient. They live (lived) in self-sufficient communities beyond the state, beyond the market, beyond labor division, beyond collectivistic communism/capitalism, which essentially is the same: working with and against everybody, against human nature and against the nature in general. They are growing rampant until they collapse. For the first time in the history of the citizen (a cartoon of the former human) the collapse will be global.