Quote from: BADecker on July 09, 2018, 02:01:55 PM

Quote from: twthmoses on July 09, 2018, 12:37:18 PM

Quote from: Astargath on July 04, 2018, 08:28:51 AM

According to the bible, the world and universe are about 6 to 10k years old at most. Obviously science has shown they are much older so that's already a big mistake. Badecker believes in creationism yet there is literally 0 evidence for it. He might think all the evidence we have for evolution is wrong but he doesn't even have 1 piece of evidence for his claim.

I see. 6000 years is a hard one to defend! Even with skill there are just too many things past that age. Wonder what the take on dinosaurs is then? All those bones and not one older than 6000 years? Even if c14 method is a bit off, it should be a lot off to account for this timeframe.

The only clear place where we see 6,000 years is the Bible. Other literature or ideas are not clear on the 6,000-year point. And even the Bible was not meant to be a historical record that shows 6,000 years, even though it does.

How does the Bible show 6,000 years to, say, 6,200 years (not 10,000)? Indirectly. Here is the link that shows how the Bible does it - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm.

Now, here is the important part that folks seem to not get. In verse 2 of Genesis 1, the ancient Hebrew for the word "was" (הָיְתָ֥ה) can, also, be translated as "became," even though such translation is not popular. If "became" were used, the picture would change entirely to a heavens and earth that that was created some (possibly great) time before the earth became formless and void, and that this "era" was started about 6,000 years ago.

In other words, an understanding of disruption of the physics of the pre-beginning universe is plausible. The beginning spoken of, might only be the beginning of this era of created things, where God made a new universal physics, the physics of the universe we have today. Yet, some of the old physics remains embedded in the new. And that is why we understand such a variety of possible ages for the universe. Present universal physics is not the same as it was prior to about 6,000 years ago. And 6,000 years ago was when the new beginning started, even though the old beginning was an indeterminable time prior to the new beginning.

At this point, in this thread, I'll not go into why and how the universe physics was changed, but there is evidence in the Bible for such.

Regarding the C-14 point, there is evidence in the Bible that C-14 was not in existence on earth before the Great Flood, which the Bible link, above, shows came about roughly 4,500 years ago. (If there happened to be some pre-4,500-year-ago C-14, it was in such limited quantities that we could never know for sure which C-14 we were working with. And that would further complicate accurate time measurement.)

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The bible is evidence that people who wrote it knew nothing about the world. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

It's proven that the bible is simply wrong on almost anything. Morals, science, history. God from the bible is proven beyond a doubt to be false.