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Eta for next gen tape-out is jan 20th

Which does not mean next gen chips will be available then, in case that's what some of you were thinking. Sample chips will arrive about 2-3 months after tape out. For example, HashFast taped-out on 2013-09-05, the first wafers were completed on 2013-11-08, and sample chips were received on 2013-12-01.

So, next gen AM chips will likely be ready in March/April.

It is not really fair to compare asicminer to hashfast. However march/april does seem like a reasonable estimate for gen3 deployment.

I'm not comparing AM to HashFast, I'm just showing how long it typically takes for foundries to produce the wafers and for those wafers to be packaged into chips. The process is pretty much out of AM's or HashFast's hands until they get the samples back.

Wans't the tape-out from KnC 3 weeks before they delivered a working product? Or am I misremembering?

I couldn't find a date for KnC's tape out, but there is the following:

Quote from: kncminer on June 26, 2013, 02:14:10 PM

All,

I would like to say that EVERYTHING that needs to be done at this point in time for a September delivery has indeed been done.
We are on track for delivery and we know of nothing currently to the contrary.

There is not a single part in our systems that has a longer delivery time than the time we still have available.

Yes that does imply that things that dont need to be ordered yet have not been ordered. The reason behind that is we simply dont need to order them yet, We do have contracts with all suppliers we need to have contracts with Those contracts contain delivery times and the associated order dates by which we must confirm the amounts (and of course pay).

I hope this removes confusion

KnCMiner

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Quote from: kncminer on July 30, 2013, 01:41:06 PM

Hi Guys

We would like to say that. Yes....we did tape-out of the ASIC some time ago. The exact details of the ASIC schedule, volumes, vendor etc. is kept internal since it's very sensitive information towards competitors. The product development tasks are on-track."

We are still on schedule to begin shipping in September.

Thanks
KnCMiner Team

So, tape out was likely around 2013-06-26 and 2013-07-30 at the latest.

From the KNC website:

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Chip News
9/17/2013 6:29:00 AM

You have all been waiting for an update on our chips and we can today announce that the Fabrication process has finished and the wafers are on their way to the packing assembly house right now. They will be in the assembly house for a few days before they make their way to us in Sweden and of course via the fastest method possible.

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Production News
9/30/2013 7:51:00 AM

We have relocated most of our operation to the factory over the weekend. The first delivery of the chips have arrived and have been populated on the boards. We have begun testing and initial results are good, we will have more updates throughout the day. We know many of you are calling and we are sorry if we cannot answer your call. This is a very busy time for us but we are all hands on deck we can assure you of that.

So, wafers were completed around 9/17/2013 and sample chips arrived on 9/30/2013. That's around 3 months between tape out and getting sample chips back.

Great digging there, thanks for the solid reply!