Quote from: franky1 on July 09, 2018, 12:37:41 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 09, 2018, 06:25:26 AM

OP, I assume you are asking from a point of view that Bitcoin's future "would be better" if it was a medium of exchange first, and a store of value second?

You should remember that it took gold hundreds of years to become a good and stable store value before it became a medium of exchange. I believe Bitcoin will follow the same path and will take as much time as it can too.

so your saying just sit on your hands and wait and see...

so what your saying is dont use bitcoin and wait hundreds of years... (facepalm)

WOW your more sheepish by the day

Did I say that? Wait for hundreds of years before it can be used as a medium of exchange? Are you that moronic? #facepalm

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firstly gold was in ancient eqypt treated as an asset. held only by rich pharoahs. (store of value(sign of wealth)). then it became more common when the wild west mining occured. then it again became something only the rich hoarded again and people commonly handled other things.. this time paper.

stop comparing bitcoin to gold. gold had features/utility/ benefits and reason to mine it. if you really want to stick with the ass kissers that want to lock bitcoin up and let commoners just play around with unaudited/unconfirmed transactions that need second party approval. then go play with fiat.
letting the dvs strangle onchain utility/innovation purely to side step people into other ntworks . is like how the bold standard bank notes and eventual removal of gold backed notes occured,

Ass kissers? The ass kisser here is you for sticking with the fraudster Roger Ver who is also allied to the scammer Craig Wright. If you want to attack the argument then go ahead. But there should be respect.

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the ethos of bitcoin was to have something that can be USED to not need to rely on fiat.. but if all bitcoin is going to turn into is hoarding and playing with offchain fiatesque insecure 'receipts' and only re-entering onchain to so that fiat lovers can run back to fiat with more fiat.. then the ethos and purpose of bitcoin is lost.

I would be happy to see Bitcoin Cash scale to billions of users only to prove the point that the block size must be regulated, and to scale, offchain is the best way to do it.

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how about stop kissing devs ass. stop letting them divert attention away from bitcoin and towards unaudited sidechains/other networks/social dramas.. and actually get them to sort out the mainnet.

No, you stop kissing Roger Ver's ass. Haha.

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are you really that fooled by thinking bitcoin can continue as is..

You are fooled that big blocks for Bitcoin are sustainable. But in Bitcoin Cash it is ok because no one uses it. Dogecoin has more transactions onchain. Hahaha.

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but also be treated as the thing that cant scale.. where the only reason is it cant scale is those shouting it cant scale are the ones preventing it from scaling.
do you not see Luke Jr flip flop about with his 2mb is bad.. thn 4mb weight is good. bitcoin cant scale, vaulting bitcoin and using hub managers is good..

Stop going back to your "Luke Jr" debate. Quote the source and be done.

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i emphasise bitcoins mainnet has gone stagnant because the devs only care about their commercial services..

What "commercial" services and what "stagnant mainnet"? Both lies. The stagnant mainnet is Bitcoin Cash with its almost empty 32mb blocks!

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i emphasise bitcoins mainnet needs new devs that will concentrate on mainnet.. not the alternative networks rquiring second party permissions.

Is that the real goal? Kick out the Core developers? Who do you believe should replace them?

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do not even bother screaming the PR adverts of alternative networks. its all been said and done. years ago it was if you dont like it F**k off.
LN is not a sole feature that will 'make bitcoin great again' the dvs screaming bitcoin cant scale are already dsigning LN to be used to move people to altcoins which will settle onchain(of the altcoin) fastr and cheaper than settling bitcoin onchain. thus permenantly locking bitcoin into "factories" (fort knox vaults)

What? Hahaha. Everyone wear your tinfoil hats. franky1 is spreading Roger Ver's misinformation again.

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i really am astonished how so many are brainshwashed into thinking bitcoin is a AI that self fixes and all that is required is sticking head in the sand, sitting on our hands and waiting for utopia..

Utopia will then be in Bitcoin Cash because "Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin because Satoshi's Vision"? Maybe kick out Roger Ver then make the coin good on its own merit instead of your Bitcoin FUD and misinformation.

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oh and if you want to rebut that bitcoin price will kep bitcoin in number 1 spot.. ur fooling yourself. if the dvs you love so much initiate a PoW change to make it cheaper to mine (facepalm) guess what.. it will be cheaper to mine, thus easier to sell for less and still profit, thus the support levels evaporate.

imagine if gold only cost $1 to mine 1 ounce. instead of near $1k per ounce..
imagine if gold had no function/utility for day to day use and became only a hoarder asset.

There are calls for a POW change but the majority of developers will be against it. Do not talk about it as if it is sure of happening to misinform the people.

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think about it
oh and dont reply with the core defense cap on. just talk about BITCOIN not defend the devs.. the devs are temporary and have lost interest. as i said even they are saying bitcoin is dead by saying it cant scale and cant be a medium of exchange.. so stop defending them.

Satoshi will talk about Bitcoin. He will not defend Core.

Plus no one said it cannot be a medium of exchange. But it is a store of value first, medium of exchange second.

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now take some time and think about bitcoin. the mainnet protocol. not the crapcoin sidechains and LN altrnative unaudited networks.
think about defending bitcoin and actually realise there are issues and they need sorting.

Defending Bitcoin? But where is the "attack"? The only attack I see is Bitcoin Cash and Roger Ver saying that "Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin".