Quote from: hugolp on January 28, 2011, 11:00:42 AM

Quote from: Babylon on January 28, 2011, 10:53:55 AM

Health care costs are dramatically lower in countries which have government run health care plans. Your assertion that governments drive up the cost of health care is completely unfounded.

You are joking right? I live in one of those countries and its not cheaper at all.

In fact, Ive gone 4 times to the hospital near my home. Everytime I see people being treated in the corridors because there are no rooms. My aunt had to go to the private clinic because there was a 6 months waiting list to cure her chataracts. Imagine 6 months my old granma without being able to see (she still lives on her own). Thats government "caring" for you. Every winter authorities ask us not to go to the hospital during some weekends because they become totally saturated. Etc...

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The western railroad expansion was funded by the government with land giveaways to the railroad companies, backed by government force against American Aboriginals.

Not all the lines. In fact, there were three lines that made the east-west route first. Two with government help, one private. The only line that its still used is the private one. When you build something thinking in the people needs to get profits you make something useful for the people. When you use the policitcal process you make something useful for a few (the ones that got rich with the government help).

Btw, I feel like you are just throwing talking points one after the other, without going nowhere. When your talking points are rebutted, you throw more. What are you trying to say?

You stated that healthcare in your country is more expensive, and then cited longer waiting times as your evidence. Longer lines don't equate to price. The price is shifted, in your country, from the individual to the government but it is not increased, it's dramatically lower. Yes, people have to wait longer, that's what happens when more people are being treated by the same number of facilities, supply and demand.

When I don't understand someone's argument I don't reply to it. I usually find that if I don't understand what he said it is not going to be a productive discussion.